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No Permissions to write to hard disk????
I don't know why and it's NEVER happened before, but I get this every time I try to download anything! I've tried everything I can to fix the problem but to no avail.
It starts to download just fine but after about 2 to 5 minutes I start getting this notice "No Permissions to write to hard disk" Last edited by Jiaz; 10.02.2012 at 08:40. |
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Then it takes for ever to download even with a Premium account
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Check your AV/FW, permit java and javaw, disable web scanner.
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please provide a logfile
http://support.jdownloader.org/index...&kbarticleid=8 what firewall/av do you have?
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Tony, now that I think about it I've never had this problem until I installed AVG Internet Security 2012.
If this is the problem, how can I fix this? Thanks for the input. |
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avg is known to cause issues, make sure you have exemptions for java.exe javaw.exe and jdownloader.exe . They also have web/link scanner which you will need to configure or disable.
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Check this:
http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=33918 and this _**External links are only visible to Support Staff** Last edited by editestowy; 10.02.2012 at 20:51. |
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I am now getting this issue. It just started yesterday. Nothing has changed on my computer that I am aware of. I'm using AVG free 2012, default windows firewall. The downloads start, work for some time then stop giving me failed permission to write to hdd. I tried uploading the log file like suggested in another thread but I am behind a company firewall as well so I think that is blocking it. I uploaded my log file to RS **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff**
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disable the linkchecker and or set max connections to 1
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I do not have the linkchecker module installed. It complicated my life with other programs in the past. Max connections in JD is already set to 1
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very bad https issues. those can be caused by buggy rs server or firewall/av on your side.
i would suggest to remove firewall/av, reboot and try again. if it sill causes issues, please provide a new logfile with more failing downloads in it
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I appreciate the help so far, so don't take this the wrong way but blaming https issues is just wrong.... server side or connection between should not kick back a client application error of permission to write to hard disk unless the programmers have a grudge against someone trying to support the application :p
I did although completely uninstall the free version of AVG 2012, reboot and it still happens. I've uploaded the log of it happening again after the removal of AVG. **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** Once it has errored, it moves to the next download. Once I notice that it has happened, I can manually enable it, stop the download queue, start it again and it will resume until it errors. I can repeat this till I finish the download(s) but it is frustrating. |
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happened a few more times. updated logs
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First you've got:
javax.net.ssl.SSLException: SSL peer shut down incorrectly - server side error (server terminating the connection) Then this leads to error occurred while writing to file. SSL peer shut down incorrectly And finally: ErrorMessage: No permissions to write to hard disk This may be some problem with router and SSL connection, also someone reported that this error was because bad proxy (maybe your ISP uses some kind of proxy?) BTW - if you're downloading from other services (which do not use SSL) - you've got the same error? Anyway - wait for developer for final opinion, maybe some TeamViewer session...
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its the buggy https server/connection.
all IO errors on jd side get the same message *could not write to hard disk*.... i guess some firewall/transparent proxy/isp issue because this jd.http.Browser$BrowserException: Server returned HTTP response code: 403 for URL: http://ipcheck0.jdownloader.org 403 on this url is impossible, so something must intercept your traffic!
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Well I know I am behind a firewall that has many ports blocked both ingress and egress, that part was all to apparent soon after I got on this network but I am still fairly sure that specific piece of it is not to blame. The transparent proxy I am unsure of. I found **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** and based off that I am not behind a transparent proxy but I am sure that some form of web filtering is happening. I just don't know how and why it is impacting me like this.
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my guess is that the transparent proxy has problems with https connections/closing them.
it can be server issue or combination of https+transparent proxy. any change you can try without the transaprent proxy?
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I could try using a SSH tunnel but I have to use port 443 for the tunnel so I'm unsure if that will be worth trying.
edit* I thought about starting a scheduler task to run every 30 minutes or so to stop downloading, enable any failed downloads and then resume the download queue again. It does not look like the scheduler addon allows that type of control. Is it possible to do this some other way? Maybe a script? but the only places I saw that allows scripting, don't seem like it could apply for this. I let my queue run last night with several items to download. They all stopped/broke/failed at 62mb +/-500k. With that kind of consistency, I am starting to think it's by design some how(the proxy i must be going through), and really could use a way to automate the re-enabling of these failed downloads and restart the download queue. Last edited by Think3r; 03.03.2012 at 17:35. |
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I made some experience with this. I have an iMac with Lion Installed. If I try to limit the download speed some files currently stops downloading displaying "No permissions to write to disk".
As soon I change speed to "0" again (No limits), after restarting the failed downloads everything goes fine. I can repeat the problem, it is more easy to repeat with Fileserve. With other servers I have to reduce the speed a lot to obtain the failure.- For your information, I have installed the Java runtime and not what Apple named "Java environment" coming embedded in OS X. So Jdownloader or others like Vuze are running flawlessly. Bye! EDIT by Think3r: Thanks for the feedback! Last edited by Think3r; 03.03.2012 at 17:47. |
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I've tried the suggestion. But the problem still occurs.
I've been experiencing the same problem eversince the last update occured on my JDL. I've been trying all the suggested answers. Lower my concurent downloads and connections (even to only 1 connection with 1 download), make the speed to "0" (unlimited), by pass anti virus, passthrough firewall, everything, but the problem still persists. After downloading for awhile, then it stops, and keeps saying "No permission to write to harddisk". What makes me wonder whether it's a bug in JDL, is that: 1. It never occured before, not after the last update. And now it happens to ALL filehosting I subscribe (I have 9 premium subscription from 9 different file hosting). 2. I use 3 differnt AV/Firewall, Norton, Kaspersky, and Trend Micro. And it happens to all of those AV/Firewall. 3. To make it more confusing, my downloads never have problems if I'm using other download manager tools, such as Orbit, Down Them All, and FlashGet. I can download with no problem at all. Does it JDL bugs? I don't know. I've been using JDL for almost 5 years now. And I really, really, really love this tool. I hope somebody could help fix this problem. |
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I'm having the same problem.
However after so many trial and error, I found the root of the problem. In my case it is my ISP that prohibit me to do many downloads. I'm living in Jakarta, Indonesia. I'm using Sitra Wimax as my ISP. When using modem provided by this ISP, I always have this problem. But when I switch to use another modem from another ISP, I try 2 other ISP, Telkomel and SMART, the problem dissappear just like that. So in this case, for you who also lives in Jakarta, Indonesia, try to use another ISP. If the problem is gone, than you have ISP problem. The problem is not on JDownloader side. If you're also using Sitra Wimax as your ISP, just like me, most probably you will have the same problem. Thanks. |
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No writing rights
While downloading a file, downloads can suddenly stop giving a warning that there are no rights to write to the HDD.
This issue has happened several times now, at random and I'm having a hard time finding out why or where it occurs. I am the only user on this PC and there are no other profiles. Also the problem occurs at random. If it occurs and I stop all downloads, clean JD completely and load the files again it will happen that there is no interruptions. So it is very hard to say where this problem has it's origins, I think this might be a bug. If anybody has similar problems, please help! RI. |
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This has happened to me just now as well. I too am on a Mac (latest Lion) and run the latest (non-nightly) jD and have seen this happen few times. I don't have AV or anything like that. Here's my log:
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------------------------ Thread: 31 ----------------------- 31 3/26/12 7:39:47 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Start working on national.geographic.mp4 31 3/26/12 7:39:49 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Handling normal captchas 31 3/26/12 7:40:01 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Waittime detected, waiting 60 seconds from now on... 31 3/26/12 7:41:03 PM - WARNING [java_downloader] -> Resumepoint not valid 31 3/26/12 7:41:03 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Connect... 31 3/26/12 7:41:03 PM - WARNING [java_downloader] -> Resumepoint not valid 31 3/26/12 7:41:03 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Connect... 31 3/26/12 7:41:22 PM - WARNING [java_downloader] -> Resumepoint not valid 31 3/26/12 7:41:22 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Connect... 31 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Start Download 31 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Setup virgin download 31 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Start Download in 1 chunks. Chunksize: 486546519 31 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Setup chunk 0: Thread[DOwnloadchunk 0 - -1,1,main] 31 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Wait for chunks ------------------------ Thread: 32 ----------------------- 32 3/26/12 7:41:26 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Start Chunk 0 : 0 - -1 ------------------------ Thread: 32 ----------------------- 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> SEVERE Exception occurred java.net.SocketException: Connection reset at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:168) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read1(BufferedInputStream.java:256) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:317) at sun.net.www.MeteredStream.read(MeteredStream.java:116) at java.io.FilterInputStream.read(FilterInputStream.java:116) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection$HttpInputStream.read(HttpURLConnection.java:2676) at java.nio.channels.Channels$ReadableByteChannelImpl.read(Channels.java:221) at jd.plugins.download.DownloadInterface$Chunk.download(Unknown Source) at jd.plugins.download.DownloadInterface$Chunk.run0(Unknown Source) at jd.plugins.download.DownloadInterface$Chunk.run(Unknown Source) 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> error occurred while writing to file. Connection reset 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> Error occured: ERROR_LOCAL_IO 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> A critical Downloaderror occured. Terminate... 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> ABBORTED BY USER 32 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> Chunk finished 0 53018624 bytes ------------------------ Thread: 31 ----------------------- 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - FINER [java_downloader] -> onCHunksReady 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Close connections if the are not closed yet 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Closed connection before closing file 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - INFO [java_downloader] -> Close File. Let AV programs run 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> DOWNLOAD INCOMPLETE DUE TO FILESIZECHECK 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> Error occured: ERROR_DOWNLOAD_INCOMPLETE 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> DOWNLOAD INCOMPLETE DUE TO FILESIZECHECK 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - SEVERE [java_downloader] -> Error occured: ERROR_DOWNLOAD_INCOMPLETE 31 3/26/12 8:24:47 PM - WARNING [java_downloader] -> Error occured- latest: ERROR_LOCAL_IO 00100000001001000000000000000001 <Statuscode 00000000000000000000000000000001 |TODO 00000000000001000000000000000000 |PLUGIN_IN_PROGRESS 00000000001000000000000000000000 |ERROR_LOCAL_IO 00100000000000000000000000000000 |PLUGIN_ACTIVE StatusText: Idle ErrorMessage: No permissions to write to hard disk Code:
$ ls -lah /Users/mike/Downloads/national.geographic.mp4.part -rw-r--r-- 1 mike staff 51M Mar 26 20:22 /Users/mike/Downloads/national.geographic.mp4.part |
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First sorry to hear your running Lion to begin with for those who are.
Now this is not a new problem as it has happened to me on several different occasions on all Mac OS Versions I have run since I started using JD. There are some things one may want to look at and as I have yet to run Lion (not interested in the IOS type direction it is going in), as Lion does not come prebuilt with Java from what I understand or at least have the impression of, be sure your up to date with the Java Lon will run and one can install properly for Lion. Make sure you have enough free disk space that has not caused some sort of lock up or cancelation of a file download. One may need to run a disk repair on the drive one is saving files to as on occasion the free space left and directory structures can become corrupt or confused. I suggest DiskWarrior Latest Version of course that supports Lion. Regardless of the disk utility used you will need to boot from another boot disk/drive/DVD to repair the main start up drive if there is a problem with it. In most instances I have found though that the majority of problems stem or seem to stem from a connection breakage that was nonrecoverable between the receiving computer and the file host. Very similar to what kepalabenjol, stated previously although it may or may not be your ISP causing the problem. You may wish to call your ISP and tell them your having problems with connectivity between you and the file hosters IP address. Most of the time it is not needed to tell them a host name as they will usually trace an troubleshoot problems with IP #'s. They really only need to use host names usually just to make sure the DNS is good and a few other small issues surrounding DNS itself. Once a connection is made then usually the problems become routing, ISP hardware, or other configuration problems. In very rare cases deleting the config files for JD may help but probably not for this issue. When the above problems do occur and there is a nonrecoverable file, it means basically the file thinks it is still being written to and has not closed the process properly. All one can do is to delete the file or Reset that files download link to start over again. If this is a continuing problem with a file hoster then you will need to do some traceroutes and other tests to help both the JD team (only for probably telling you to call your ISP as they can not fix the network your on) and more than likely your ISP find the troubled spots in the network between you and the filehoster. Be sure to see if you can find a pattern and other information also as it may just be the hoster as many have severely cut back on bw especially for free downloaders, and many are just being stupid since MU was taken down mostly for stupidity on their part. Unfortunately it will not get better with the laws being passed not only by the US but by other countries who all are taken in by the pathetic lies of the MPAA, RIAA, and their counterparts, and then there are those who just wish to control the internet and the information that gets out to everyone so they can control the individuals of the world also. Sorry for the rant there but everyone world wide must get involved with their governments to let them know we are not slaves nor are we troglodytes etc. and demand our rights and freedoms in the internet as well as in this emerging new world we are rapidly finding ourselves being pushed into like puppets or cattle. Hopefully this will help some with the problems they are seeing arise of late. Mods or admins you may edit out anything in this post you may find offensive or out of place for the board in the last two paragraphs.
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There's nothing wrong with Lion. Issue is that jD is a complete mess when it comes to reliability of file operations. jD not only has issue with writing files but has an issue with losing files during a rename. I've reported that issue long time ago and jD still loses files even though the thread is marked as [Solved].
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@mikebell
AGREED!!! JD should address these problems, if they don't than their program isn't worth using any longer. @Statter Keep up the good work!!!! Our freedom is essential, governments are playing with us! People should protest more against liberties taken by ANY government over the heads of the citizens of this world! They only want to use the population as wage-slaves to keep their money making machines going, all for the benefit of "the HAPPY few". WE NEED A WORLD REVOLUTION AND WE NEED IT NOW!!! |
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mikebell, first I am not blaming the OS per say as many others that do run Lion do not seem to have the problem with this issue. There may be issues with Lion still at least it appears that way with other reports I still read even after the latest updates although they did fix a lot of issues there are more that needs to be done as with any new OS (currently Safari is waked now with the 5.1.5 update just done in SL on one machine so it is a conflict somewhere on that machine that is still to be found).
Anyway thats not my point as I was just mentioning it incase there was now an issue with JD and Lion. There is now an update for Apple Java for OS X Lion "**External links are only visible to Support Staff** If you read the whole response or even probably read through the thread, you would see it is not related to one OS or another btw. and others that have had the problem and have resolved the issue by reseting the file to start a fresh download. Your log it also states "Start Download in 1 chunks", I am assuming the file that is broken above that statement is also a Download in 1 chunk file. When files are such they will not re-download from where they left off unless the file hoster allows it with special scripting and permissions programming usually. Even in the browsers if a download gets broken between a client and hoster not initiated by the client itself, the file will not start to dl again from where it left off until it is cleared or the browser itself depending o how it was programmed may just auto delete the original broken file and start a fresh download. Yes I have had the same issues of No Permissions to Write which did throw me for a loop until I read about the chunking method JD is forced to use depending on the file hosters setup. From what I understand JD is reading the information about the file and also how the hoster is allowing it to dl, in multiple chunks or not. At least JD is logging the info in the log files so one can see what the hoster is allowing or not. As for JD loosing files during a rename I, only have had that once and it was while something was still downloading and the outer sub folder was renamed. The only other time of loosing files is not really been loosing the file but, more when something has broken the connection to my external storage drive and instead of the system seeing the drive/partiton has been disconnected JD will auto create the same DL folder name n the root of volumes but it will also be an alias pointing to the root of the user folder if I remember right else it is to the root of the boot drive. Sorry it has been a while on that one so, I don't remember the exact location of the new duplicate folder for JD downloads. Yes I do agree that there are a lot of things JD could/should do for better usage results but, overall for what it is and what it does it is fine and the biggest problem I have with JD is when a hoster screws something up on their site that breaks JD in the middle of my dl's or the hosters are limiting BW as they are starting to loose their backbone and starting to abandon the original RFC's in regard to an ISP's responsibility to its customers, etc. too. I would also love to see the new release of JD they have talked about for so long that is essentially a total rewrite but, I suppose that is taking more time as their limited main programmer(s) also have a life too I think and are also pounded with other company issues that take precedence probably. I hope you can figure out the problem and how to fix it and if it keeps happening I don't think it is as much of a JD issue but, an ISP issue that in some cases may be hard to get an ISP to investigate or fix properly without the proper nudging. RedIndy, yea we all need to get off the stick now! Things are really starting to suck with the crap going down the pike so to speak. ACTA Battle Nears Climax in Europe "**External links are only visible to Support Staff** Get ready for a quick vote probably. And of corse more crap from other places ..... Like: The fact that major ISPs To Begin Punishing BitTorrent Pirates This Summer "**External links are only visible to Support Staff** this has implications far reaching just torrenting!
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How crap like this can happen is beyond me. I've never come across an app with such broken file operations. I now use Chrome to download stuff. It's 100% reliable but doesn't have Resume which sucks but hey... at least I'm not wasting my bandwidth downloading files that never even show up on my HD! Quote:
I have all the latest updates. I've also had exact same issues on my Windows 7 box so I doubt this has anything to do with the OS. I move gigabytes of data through my computer (I work in video editing) and have never had issues like this. jD's file operations are a complete junk and should be rewritten from scratch. Downloadign with jD is a complete crapshoot and you can never rely on it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't... and you have no way of telling just by looking at the app's progress bar. I'm now downloading through a browser... yes, it's slower but since you still have to deal with reCaptcha crap, it's not that much slower. At least I'm not wasting my time and bandwidth downloading stuff that's not even written to my hard disk. Quick search shows this: Downloaded files disappear - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=5690 THe files are missing from download folder - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=19013 Downloaded file can't be found, it disappears - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=16894 Downloaded files are gone - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=8353 disappearing file - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=29093 Error while renaming after CRC check - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=25626 and my thread on this issue... marked as "Solved" 7 months ago: JD is losing my files after they're downloaded - http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=30683 and many many more threads like this are really disconcerting and I have no faith left for this soft. But you can't really blame the makers of this soft... they're not paid to write it and they're good guys. So I can't be mad at them and can't fault them for anything. I'm just not gonna use it again until (or better said "if") this is resolved. Last edited by mikebell; 30.03.2012 at 03:20. |
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mikebell, you have noticed the issue with Java Update 26? Jiaz has told you about it. All downloads will get lost after updating to this version because of internal Java changes.
AND PLEASE DO NOT GO OFFTOPIC! Greetz
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Habe das Selbe problem per zufall kommt die meldung "keine schreibrechte für festplatte"
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Windows SECURITY settings
this is crazy.. but i think the windows "security" settings of a folder [right click folder > properties > security] are the trouble makers here!
And as i said before, this is crazy .. coz i haven't changed/altered any settings to my download folder before. On a hunch of logic i went to check it up when jdownloader kept saying "no permission" "No permission"! And there it was.. All's well for now.. Check back in after a while and let you'll know if it stays this way. Last edited by aparnab; 30.04.2012 at 15:14. |
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Just registered here because i helped a friend through the same problem (no permission to write to hdd) a few minutes ago, so hello everybody.
The solution was firstly to remove and uninstall Java completely from the computer. Secondly to uninstall Jdownloader and a reinstallation of it from the newest setup file. It was quickly done and did the job, JD is running perfectly fine now. Imho there is no need for Java on a confuser at all, please excuse my french but it sucks monkey balls.:outch: My 2 cents and i hope they help. |
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Thank you for the feedback, guys!
@Bojan: Das ist die englische Sektion, nicht die deutsche! Greetz
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I've found another possible solution for this error (sorry if it has been posted before):
Before restarting the download, specially if it's a large file or if the server you've been downloading from is not high speed friendly, do the following: Go to the file's folder properties and uncheck "Reading only" for that folder and every other folder inside that one (if applicable). Click "apply", go back to JDownloader and click to resume the download (and activate too, if necessary). That worked for me ;-) Last edited by timepink; 15.05.2012 at 19:48. |
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Thank you, timepink!
Greetz
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it doesn't help me cause the folder is already uncheck (Reading only)
But i notice that its happen with some file that download very slow like the 1/3 of the file on uptobox.(it's between 7kb/s to 30kb/s) i'm not a expert but this speed can bug in writing.I say that cause when is the file goes to high speed like 20mb/s and more there is no problems. |
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If you still encounter problems, please read the rules and open a new thread.
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