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@kenta: The RecaptchaV2 happens completely in Browser. That means that there is no difference between RecaptchaV2 via Extension or on normal Website. Cookies are sent/used the same way in both situations
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Bots better than humans
Found this video on youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=8iMU9HbJ7Wo If link is concealed search youtube for: I'm Not a Human: Breaking the Google Recaptcha Some insights about how google evaluation engine works; but mostly posting here cause it just cracked me up. One of the comments: "Hey, I know how to recognize bots - they get the CAPTCHA answers right!" mod: please enable link Last edited by Jiaz; 13.08.2018 at 12:15. |
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@daffdaemon: intersting video but heavily outdated
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I just got the "open in browser" popup 10 times in a row for the same link before I stopped trying (3rd link, 2nd took about 5 popups).
This is getting worse and worse and that more and more websites use it makes it even worse (if that's even possible)! Want to post a comment (yes, you have to solve ********** captcha to post on certain websites)? Too bad, you can't post if Google doesn't verify you, which they won't. Want to download something? Awwwwwww jeeeez, you have to solve a captcha! **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** |
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Ok Apologies if this has been covered.
Obviously this is a general problem , not just JD related. I found I can't even add comments to some sites when they require recaptchas to post . This is what I have found which improves the situation as least or a couple of Turbobit links I have tried. Captcha in JD , you get the problem of it not working most times (and in browser outside of JD). Copy /paste link in Chrome incognito window - manually go through captcha it seems to work. When pasting more than one link, do not open a second tab, but close the incog window then open a fresh incognito window for each new link. So it seems the problem maybe related to being signed in a Google account (though I havent yet tried it by logging out, only via a new incognito window) or the difference with an incognito session. Can JD be configured to always open captchas in an incognito window? |
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https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...29&postcount=3 there is a command switch '-incognito' Don't forget to allow the extension to also work in incognito mode
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This procedure somewhat worked for me for a bunch of hosters:
- shut down all browser instances - run ccleaner including registry cleaner - restart browser After that I at least didn't get stuck in the loop of doom any more. I still have to solve a bunch of captchas, tho (2-8). What did NOT work: - IP change (different VPN servers) - Random mouse movement - Random timing / purposely slow solving Regards, 00h |
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trying to cope with ReCaptcha and make it suck a little less...
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In this day and age, I (despite indeedhaving CCleaner installed in the PC) have become too lazy to regularly clean up unnecessary files in the browsers and also in the system. If the computer isn't slowing down and/or lacking free space I really tend not to do even the most basic manteinance... I came here just to say I did perform a cleanup of my main browser and can also report good results (much better than before, but not properly good if you know what I mean...) I also took the time to properly find out what was wrong with my firefox command line (tried to force jD to ask for captchas in secure mode); turns out the syntax inside jD command line for firefox does not support the space character inside the parameters (I was so dumb it took me a loooong time to figure this out). This is the commandline I am using now, for reference, if anyone have the same problem. I must use "-p" followed by the name of my firefox user profile before passing the "-private" parameter and I could NOT pass all parameters at once e.g. "-p Profile -private" Code:
[ "C:\\Program\\Firefox\\firefox.exe", "-p", "General", "-private-window", "%s" ] |
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It does, but there the correct command line is "-p","General" because it's key/pair and not "-p General" single parameter
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Just to confirm after my last post, that if I manually solve captchas in a Chrome incognito tab, they work within 1 or 2 attempts. I haven't tried configuring JD to auto open incognito yet. But the workaround is definitely to do with whatever incognito prevents.
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Anyway, it still boggles my mind that even after all the 'work' that we can possibly make to try and make ReCaptcha "better", the best case scenario for it is still too much time consuming and annoying AF... If you are on a slow internet connection and you have something like 50 files to download on a 'ReCaptcha protected' hoster you might just as well give up or prepare to spend a big 'chunk' of your day actively trying to do so (and not always succeeding). Some plugins even report "site owner: invalid key" on the ReCaptcha page, which I assume is a regular part of the 'cat and mouse' game between some filelocker sites and jdownloader. I don't usually report it because I don't want to give even more work to the developer if I can work around it. It is inevitable these days that there is always something or other adding to the annoying factor in the download process that didn't use to exist before. All in all, I am really glad jDownloader (and the whole team behind it) takes a lot of the work out of the equation (compared to what would it take to do it 'manually', item by item). I think it is fair to say that the "streaming generation" will eventually make us all obsolete, lets just hope it is later (much later) rather than sooner. . . |
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Can you please name them? Of course some may play cat/mouse but it also may just be a bug/wrong sitekey in use
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ReCaptcha without JavaScript? (easier)
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The first one I noticed this "invalid site key" is Cloudyfiles.me , but then again it looks to me that this site uses "2 extra steps" for us to get to the actual file link anyway... By the way... Have you guys seen something like this option in recaptcha? It really seems like it could be an easier option (less time, less images, less clicks). I could very well be completely wrong, but this looks to me like a recaptcha v2 without the use of javascript.
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( 1 ) - ask for another option below (pretend that you don't have enough browser capabilities) ( 2 ) - click (select) only a few images (without even waiting for substitutes to pop on top of it) on a single (only one!) screen ( 3 ) - copy and paste the code and you're done Maybe it's just me, but I am always hopeful that Google will eventually see that their ReCaptcha system is just too hard on actual humans and gives less burdensome alternatives... I am also wondering if this "no-javascript" recaptcha alternative have html pages that are actually easier to automate (maybe?). P.S.: the links to the page which contains this "new" (at least for me) way of solving recaptchas without javascript is here
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link to the first (original page):
**External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** link to the second (no javascript) page: **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** I noticed its basically the same link with a "/fbc/" inside it... maybe there is a way to "ask for" a "no-javascript" recaptcha? Last edited by audio20; 12.09.2018 at 02:17. |
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I did fixed the sitekey issue for cloudyfiles/suprafiles yesterday, should work again. Please test and report back
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@audio20: We're looking into that *fallback/easy javascript* but I guess that the site owner has to explicit allow that fallback method. We will see. Thanks for the example
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Google uses it to provide backward compatibility to legacy browsers. You can spoof your browser user-agent to get it. It also needs/uses JavaScript.
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@mgpai: we're aware of this and doing some tests
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Many thanks for all the team!
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I am quite pleased to report it is indeed working again without any errors. Quote:
Thank you once again for all your hard work on jDownloader as well as all the other people that provide coding and support. I hope you all know you have our most sincere gratitude. |
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Thanks for the feedback about cloudy/supra
We're still testing the fallback captcha for possible use
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I have the same problem with buggy captchas (mostly fails, lots of repetition), but not when I go to the website directly (very quick and only 1 attempt). After reading your comments, I'm wondering if it's because I use Chrome for JD2 and Safari when browsing?
Is there a way to use Safari in JD? I know it wasn'T when this all began, but has there been a change? |
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Safari doesn't support the webextensions standard, so no support for the required browser extension. Yes, this could be possible cause but we can't tell for sure. Did you try incognito/private mode in Chrome? Don't forget to allow extension to work in that mode as well
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Thanks for the info. I will give private mode a try on chrome.
I decided to post because the difference between the captchas in safari as opposed to JD/chrome is very very stark. |
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I have big issues too with recaptcha2 in firefox and chrome with uploaded and shareonline. also the app doesnt work. i dont know if this problem is caused by java or google?! any ideas...? try private mode and disable ext. but nothing is realy usefull
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Google's reCaptcha is ruining the Internet
Google reCaptcha has become a major PITA everywhere!
File hosters that use reCaptcha are nearly impossible to use; because Google's algorithm increases difficulty, the more files you try to download. Webmasters seem to love it so it's probably here to stay; but it's just got to be improved somehow. Please take a look at my previous post for information about how to file complaints with FCC. Google has to respond to you, in writing, within 30 days. https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...4&postcount=77 Complain directly to file hosters. Here is a (partial) list of sites that are nearly unusable: filefox.cc filejoker.net uploaded.to upstore.net datafile.com filesmonster.com Contact your forum administrators and ask them to contact the hosters. Please feel free to copy any or all from below to send through any of the above suggested avenues of complaint, or to post at forums where others are discussing the problem: GOOGLE SETTING NEW STANDARD FOR INACCESSIBILITY Users are being prevented from accessing services online by Google's reCaptcha service 'Captcha' is an important tool to protect online service providers by thwarting spam and preventing automated extraction of data from websites. Captcha is essentially a program or system intended to distinguish human from machine input. Captcha services typically present the user with some type of word or number sequence to enter, or a puzzle that must be solved before continuing. Captcha is used on millions of online systems; commercial, institutional and government. Sites for online shopping, ticket vendors, job applications, government provided data sites all use some form of Captcha. Ideally the Captcha is easy for humans but nearly impossible for automated systems to solve. Google's product, called reCaptcha, is a free service that can be implemented on any web site with just a few lines of code. Difficult for machines? Absolutely! Easy for humans? Annoyingly, hair-pullingly, teeth-gnashingly NOT! Googles new captcha software presents the user with a three by three grid of images and asks that all correct images (images with cars, for example) be checked, by a mouse click. Easy enough, yes? Well, not really. Problem #1: Is that a long stretch of empty highway or are those 6 pixels at the top of the image cars? Is that a car bumper poking it's nose out, or the edge of trash can? Who Knows? How about those street signs? A 'Main St.' sign is obvious. A stop sign or mile marker, OK. How about that billboard or the placard stapled to a telephone pole? The sign pole that has a sign facing the camera and two below that facing the opposite direction - If I can't read the sign does it count? What do you do with the signs that go across multiple squares of the 3x3 matrix. If a sliver of an edge of a sign is in one of the squares, should I check that square? How about the signs on a long stretch of highway. The big ones in the foreground are obvious, but should I also check the little ones in the background. And please, let's not even start on the captcha to check storefronts! At this point, it is obvious that Google isn't checking for human intelligence, it's checking luck (and eyesight). I have completed captcha after captcha, checking carefully to be absolutely sure I got it right, only to get “Wrong Captcha. Try again.” Problem #2: On the subject of eyesight, the reCaptcha software supposedly has an alternative option for the visually impaired. Clicking on the headphones icon will provide an audible Captcha rather than a visual one. Every time, hoping for escape, I've clicked on the headphone, I've gotten this message (and others are reporting the same issue): "TRY AGAIN LATER. Your computer of network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now. For more details visit our help page." At this point, you are essentially blocked, not only from this site but from any site that uses reCaptcha - for the next hour or more. The only option you have other than waiting, is to reset your IP address by restarting your modem. Problem #3: Some (Many) captcha challenges are not simply check the image and continue. Upon checking, the image disappears and is replaced with a new image that may or may not contain the content you must check. Don't notice and try to continue and you get this message, "Please check the NEW images." I have sometimes had to check the same square 5 or 6 times before it stops reloading images. And that's not all. If the google reCaptcha server is getting bogged down, you have to wait for the replacement image to slowly appear and, too frequently, you get an error message "Connection to reCaptcha lost, please try again." That's right, start over from the beginning. Problem #4: The torment goes on, and on, and on. You finish your attempt at a solution and the big green box to the finish line says what? NEXT. How many times do I have to go through this? Sometimes three or four rounds before you get to VERIFY. Problem #5: And on, and on. So now, you have finally reached the end, clicked verify, experienced the joy of seeing that little box with a green check mark. Ready to go! Right? No, Prometheus, start pushing that rock up the mountain again! It seems that the solved captures are returning tokens (software lingo) that google fails to confirm a few seconds later. This causes an endless loop, starting the whole process over again from the start. What can you do, now? The only solution for getting out of this loop is a restart, reload the web page, or your browser, or your system. I suspect many people give up at this point. This is not trivial. Even if ultimately successful, this process doesn't take a few seconds. We're talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes sometimes. Think about this. Even if it's only 5 minutes, times millions of users; collectively how many hours and hours of our precious time is Google wasting. If you have experienced this frustration, I suggest you let Google know about. The reCaptcha development team can be e-mailed at support@recaptcha.net. Although, I don't know how effective your complaint might be. I have yet to hear back from them. As one forum commentator succinctly put it: "Google just doesn't seem to be able to focus on products that require service and customer support; that's literally any product that people pay for (instead of viewing ads). Customer support isn't and never has been in their DNA. It's often rage-inducing how hard it is to contact a human at Google. They seem to think they can engineer products that don't need humans behind them." You can also file an informal complaint with FCC at: **External links are only visible to Support Staff**consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us. Google is required to answer in writing within 30 days. |
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Today, I tried downloading multiple files from four of the most problematic hosters using browser only. Still a PITA but I WAS able to complete all the downloads I tried. Regular browser window, no private settings enabled.
Hosters: Upstore, Uploaded, Filejoker, Datafile I experienced a few fails (ie looping after green check acquired). When I tried using JD I get continuous fails on all the same sites, beyond the point I'm willing to keep trying. Could this be because I'm using Firefox v51. Same browser I used for browser only downloads. |
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@daffdaemon: independant of browser, see point 2 here, https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...4&postcount=34
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I'm now trying to set JD to open incognito according to previous instructions
but it aint working. It still opens a tab in the same browser. I've set the JD extension to work incognito. This is what i have in the JD browser command line setting: [ "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Google\\Chrome\\Application\\chrome.exe", "%s" ] |
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@Patr100: you've got to customize the command line so JDownloader opens captcha in incognito mode . Try
[ "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Google\\Chrome\\Application\\chrome.exe","-incognito", "%s" ]
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Ok thanks. Seems to work, I'll test it out later. Last edited by Patr100; 07.10.2018 at 20:25. |
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What about firfox? and OSX? for incognito?
I have been having issues with some of those mentioned by daffdaemon and agree with him that Google is making it impossible for end users to use as most admins dont really understand the changes and tend to just let google do their own thing which in the end also helps those web sites in getting people to either buy access or to just stop using them altogether which does not help their sites at all IMHO Anyway for the last week or so links such as: **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** and **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** are just a few of the examples
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@lee_mofokeng: see https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...&postcount=150
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@Statter: private mode for firefox
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[ "C:\\Program Files\\Mozilla Firefox\\firefox.exe", "-no-remote","-private" "%s" ] or [ "C:\\Program Files\\Mozilla Firefox\\firefox.exe", "-no-remote","-private-window" "%s" ] developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Command_Line_Options
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"C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Google\Chrome\\Application\\chrome.exe" -incognito -- "%1" I see no end in sight for this god awful captcha nonsense but at least this works for me for the time being, until I need to log in to ubiqfile again because it doesn't recognise that I've been logged in for 5 days straight!!!!!!!! |
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@lee_mofokeng: very likely another parameter is required to open new incognito tab/browser in case there is already a non incognito instance open. check chrome commandline help site
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@Jiaz: Yeah, I get the looping problem. I just don't get why it's so persistent when JD opens browser window vs. manually opening link in firefox.
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