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Old 02.01.2013, 12:58
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Just a clarification, this thread was not started by Alooka but by stackoverflow. Another proof tricks begin to be an habitude now.
Well, that's really only because a forum moderator must have decided both threads were same issue and merged both.

As Alooka's message is older has becomed the first message of the thread.

But well, the moderator who did that should have quoted your post to clarify he was merging them because now it seems you are lying when you say that thread had not a reply, when you were just saying the truth.

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Old 02.01.2013, 13:08
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The real question is not JD & JD2 installs toolbars, the question is JD installs toolbars without the consentement of users by using 'bugs'!
They'll fix the issue but the real problem is if you don't use a startup monitor app you'd always face such issues. I recommend AnVir Task Manager Free, it shows warning for driver, toolbar, service, context menu items etc. and you can delete or disable installation of them forever.

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Old 02.01.2013, 13:12
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We don't censor here, just to clarify this.
Everyone in the world can read this thread.

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That's true James
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Old 02.01.2013, 13:50
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We don't censor here, just to clarify this.
Everyone in the world can read this thread.
First try to introduce confusion is not fair-play and it proves only that someone does not feel very comfortable in his sneakers. And sorry to contradict you but changing the title of the thread "Jdownloader installer contains Malware" to "Jdownloader installer contains Adware" what is it?
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Old 02.01.2013, 13:59
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I didn't change the title but i think Adware is the correct title as that's what many free programms include.
Malware is a step further.

Now tell me, what can I do to change the thread so it's less "irretating"?
I'll do it, I promise!

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Old 02.01.2013, 15:07
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Another useful clarification for those who have not still understood or for those who do not want to understand, the real signification of:

An Adware: a program with a clear installer who respect at the install the choice of users, a program we can remove easily.
A Malware: a program installed with a f....g installer in the background, who tracks users ips and further personal informations to make cash, a program we can't desinstall properly which leaves spies in the bdr!

Personally you are not responsible to this situation i'm sure, so i think you can't help except to give your opinion. When trust is lost it's difficult to make anything anyway.
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Old 02.01.2013, 15:37
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware
Read it!

What do you want by the way?
Make people stop using JD?
They won't, I'm sure and I won't stop supporting it as my hobby...

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Old 02.01.2013, 17:31
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Read it!

"What do you want by the way?" ??? strange question
First the truth about "the bug", i'm sure its a lie.
Second the same thing as you, that responsibles stop dishonesty with their installer and give people the complete procedures to uninstall their crap instead of laughing.
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Old 02.01.2013, 17:51
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1.Let's leave it this way: We cannot say if it's Adware or Malware, it's something between that!

2.*removed by Think3r*
I'm always serious and this time I can only say: I don't know it because this stuff is all handled by the Appwork guys.
Sure I'am in contact with them but i haven't really talked with them about that.
Last time we talked it was about removing the Facemoods stuff but that doesn't matter because I'm pretty sure it'll be replaced by somethng similar.

3.I know I'll talk against a wall but:
Many of those Adware things can't be fully removed by uninstalling them.
Most times you have to do stuff manually and Google to find out how to remove it.

If the tool I've mentioned above, this "AdwCleaner", removes that stuff, I'll make a sticky or add it to a FAQ or even make a forum accouncement so people can find it.
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I think I'll check that soon, maybe i can do it using Sandboxie but first I need to get all installer versions of JD (different country == different installed with different stuff included).

But most of the people using JD won't find it because only some of those are here in the board so it won't change that much but that's the same for everything we're doing here (FAQs and stuff) so as long as we think it helps, we'll do it.

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Old 02.01.2013, 18:35
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1) "If someone wants fast cash it makes sense to force the installation of this software or to implement it as "a bug." So it makes sense its a big lie, no need to beat around the bush as coalado & raztoki, they are not more candids than the average nobody can trust sweetcraps.

2) A thread with clear explanations to help people the best possible about all, and to warn people a link to this thread on the download page to avoid what you say at the end, it would be better than nothing i agree totally.
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Old 02.01.2013, 18:48
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I'm on it.
I'll collect all installer versions and we'll make a thread which contains information about every version and how to remove all that.
A facemoods removal guide can already be found on our wiki:
http://www.jdownloader.org/knowledge...move-facemoods
(Yes i know, no one uses the Wiki anymore because it's old, outdated and awkward.)

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Old 02.01.2013, 18:51
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2.I'm not sure if it's a "lie", however, if someone wants fast cash it makes sense to force the installation of this software or to implement it as "a bug".
One can do fast cash by bank robbery. That doesn't mean it is correct.

This is malware and I don't mind how much this is wanted to be considered adware when it is not. A program that steal personal data and sells it to third parties can't be considered adware at all. It is malware and it is breaking laws for almost all countries around the world.

Of course anyone is free to support whatever he wants to support. Even one can be in favour of bank robberies. Anyone is free to have his own point of view.

I will never support any piece of software spreading all those sorts of crap, being it virus, phishing, or any kind of malware.

The installers recommending other piece of software is nothing new it has been done for years -not even something from this century-, don't know in which terms, collaboration between apps or contracts involving cash. But both the recommend software were legitimate software and your decision to install it or not was always respected.

What have changed is that now the recommended software is malware and doesn't respect the decision of people that doesn't want to install it. If you bear with this unhonest installers, good for you. Go on. But of course people has to know what is happening and I hope as much as posible stop supporting any sotfware with this unhonest policy.

In my case I do, I stop using it. This is not just the first free app that I stop using for that reason.
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Old 02.01.2013, 19:00
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@soisbasura
I'm sorry but i never said that i support this kind of making money.

As said, we'll at least make such an information thread.
My opinion is also based on the fact that I'm no casual user.
Whenever I install anything (also JD) I'm always watching out for adware crap and i always untick the installation (yes i know that this one JD installer installs it anyways).
Also, I've never used the installer for JDownloader which is why I didn't have to deal with the adware stuff.

We'll see what Appwork does this year and we'll see if they change the installer behaviour.
I won't and can't make any promises other than, as long I'm a supporter in this forum, I will do my best to help those who mistakenly installer the crap.

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I have run the installer just to have a look again. And it seems it actually give the option to don't install the malware. The problem is that they designed the UI on purpose to cheat people on thinking they are disabling the app installation when they are not.

They have added two checkboxes that are only related to two features of the app (show disabling those checkboxes only disables those features), then at the bottom they added two buttons a decline in a dismiss look&feel where you will normally find a previous button at the left and an agree to the right where you expect to find a next button. Obviously almost 100% of people are going to click agree thinking they are chosing to continue with the jdownloader installation without installing the malware app.

It is a conscious cheat (though I suppose someone is going to deny it is). Anyway I wanted to clarify it is not true when I say it doesn't give the option to chose not installing the app.

Anyway recommending a malware is not honest nor the way in which the installer is designed to cheat users.

Besides I want to add that at least in my case the uninstall (from windows control panel) of the 4 different apps that malware installs (emoticons for ym and msn, and add-ons for browsers), all of the 4 gave me errors and the uninstall of the add-ons installed active-x on internet explorer. So the malware is not easy to uninstall.

Regards.

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Old 02.01.2013, 21:15
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If they have changed something on the installer as you have verify it proves that they are not all in holidays
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If they have changed something on the installer as you have verify it proves that they are not all in holidays
They came back to work on the 2nd and I brought it up with coalado straight away. They where away on holidays and that was the truth.

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no need to beat around the bush as coalado & raztoki
I see another dig at me! I was never beating around the bush. Everyone was throwing accusations or personal opinion into the ring, yet I was the only one here giving response during this period, so clearly I'm the bad guy. I was just assisting where possible, all voluntary by the way. Each one of my responses was clear and to the point, and I've done everything I said I would. I was never throwing accusations back at the people who chucked them. I understand some of you are are at least upset/angry, while others are just informing others. Try keeping a level head can assist your request, so much faster than throwing mud/names/accusations when you know little about the situation behind the scenes.

In reference to Alooka post, it was just a statement, it was neither question or something that required a reply. Nor did the user ever come back to the forum in regards to his post (well not yet). Forum mods merge posts and or threads all the time, this thread has been merged numerous times already and most likely will be merged again. It's lovely to see more vivid imaginations in response prior to the merge and after. Quite sure this situation is another doomed if you do help doomed if you don't.
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Old 03.01.2013, 07:04
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So clearly I'm the bad guy. Each one of my responses was clear
Never said you are a bad guy, i just said you play the candid instead to tell what you really think, post 5 "must be some bug within the installer", "must be" is not clear at all, and you knew perfectly it was not a bug i'm wrong or not?

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so much faster than throwing mud
You think the change just made on the installer like soisbasura said in post 36 is not mud? tricks or bugs in the same boat, not exactly the same i agree but always dishonest.

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In reference to Alooka post, it was just a statement, it was neither question or something that required a reply.
Alooka post 4: "...I made a thread informing about this and it received no attention".

It receive no attention because you are tired to play the candid that's all.
And finally when you merge posts by respect make this correctly please, thanks.

Edit: I just agree with all threads about the same subject, MALWARE, its not to the moderators or to the developers to take their responsabilities. Now we are sure JD contains virus it's different.

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I have run the installer just to have a look again. And it seems it actually give the option to don't install the malware.
Which is why I called like. I installed JD without getting any Adware installed.
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Which is why I called like. I installed JD without getting any Adware installed.
When did you installed it? Because obviously I installed it lots of times in the past without getting any malware because jDownloader was not using the shit web installer it is using nowadays. That doesn't change anything about the present.

The actual installer has a clear intention on spreading malware, it is handle by unhonest people that has an unhonest way of making money. And jDownloader is not the only free software that has made an agreement with those unhonest people in charge of the installer. like is denying that.

As for now, jDownloader continues being a malware spreader and will continue being while using that shit installer that spread malware. The recommended sotware those unhonest people add to their installer change from time to time and sometimes the malware they spread is more dangerous sometimes less dangerous but be very careful.

And as I said before and I repeat now, no matter even if the installer gives the option to not install the malware -hiding it as much as they can I suppose just to try to make parties on the agreement happy-, as soon as it is recommending malware it is malware itself. And by using the installer jDownloader becomes a collaborator, accomplice on spreading malware.

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Never said you are a bad guy, i just said you play the candid instead to tell what you really think, post 5 "must be some bug within the installer", "must be" is not clear at all, and you knew perfectly it was not a bug i'm wrong or not?
I haven't use the installers for JD for many years (I either run from IDE, or compile my own version). So I did not have first hand knowledge of this issue, other than from interface observations, and forum posts. Once again trying to make a mountain over mole hill. Possible reasons which where never stated as FACT.

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Alooka post 4: "...I made a thread informing about this and it received no attention".

It receive no attention because you are tired to play the candid that's all.
And finally when you merge posts by respect make this correctly please, thanks.
Must admit I never saw his first post, other than when Alooka and you referenced it within this thread. The 'new posts' feature doesn't always give me every new post, but he found this thread and continued here.

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You think the change just made on the installer like soisbasura said in post 36 is not mud? tricks or bugs in the same boat, not exactly the same i agree but always dishonest.
Seriously ??? changing the installer was what you and many wanted, so not changing it would be what? Come on use some common sense here. I haven't looked at said change but it was most likely to make things 'clearer' as adware can be confusing for those not inclined to read and comprehend wording.

Also its wise not to quote with post numbers, use url or the quote function as you have done in the past. Because when threads merge, post numbers change. It does not influence the post /showpost.php?p=id url or quote.

That referenced post if it's still the correct number, is his opinion on the matter, and yours. I'm not touching rehashing what's been covered numerous times already.
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