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Old 01.10.2012, 00:39
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I think this would increase the time to give a captcha... if a user have 30 seconds to answer, now 30 to verify... and 30 to re-verify, it would be 90 seconds to start a download. And, if the verification would be sent simultaneously to two users, i think that will generate a long queue of captchas waiting to verification... I think the best way to verify a captcha is being honest (i mean this about fraud members who could click false to get the 4 credits each time).
hi,
i think i need to clearify one point : confirmation does not happen before submitter gets an answer to his captcha. it happens only after ( and if) our JD plugin detects it to be wrong and complains it to the server.

Before 1.1.8, we were decreasing the solvers credits just after complain, but now, we have another step, confirmation, which is done by a real user, before decreasing the solvers credit.

i pepared the program to be ready for sending confirmation to 5 users simultaneously, but i don't think we will need more than one. and if we need, we must send it to 3 or 5, not 2 or 4, to always be able to accept the more frequent answer by the way, i suggest the movie "minority report" to those who hasn't watched yet

btw : i discovered that confirming an answer as TRUE was causing a trouble, its fixed now. if its true, click true also remember that "1" is shortcut for TRUE button and "2" is shortcut for FALSE button
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Old 01.10.2012, 03:50
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Hi. Just starting to learn the features of version 1.1.8. But I have one question that isn't exactly related to that. I'm noticing that I'm getting 7 pts per captcha solve in a time of the day when I normally would get 10. Have the server times changed? Or is it a bug?

My time zone is UTC -6:00, by the way, no DST. Please answer me, and thank you in advance.
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Old 01.10.2012, 05:12
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is it happened often??, i get this msg after 2-3 captcha and exit the program afterwards..

is it a bug or my installation's fault?

@mspm
it's possible to change to balance the system(faq reference), in addition we get confirmation captcha for 4 credits..

@lelim
what a great system..thx 4 ur hard work..
for the conf..i think it's enough with 3 persons, with 2 same decisions will be used..

*my 1st post

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Old 01.10.2012, 05:16
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Hi. Just starting to learn the features of version 1.1.8. But I have one question that isn't exactly related to that. I'm noticing that I'm getting 7 pts per captcha solve in a time of the day when I normally would get 10. Have the server times changed? Or is it a bug?

My time zone is UTC -6:00, by the way, no DST. Please answer me, and thank you in advance.
I think that is to balance out that you get 4 points whenever you confirm a captcha is true or false, aka 7 + random 4 points periodically. Of course everybody wants more points all the time, but that would kill the balance, I'm sure after some data on how points are distributed in relation to the new conformation system the low activity times will be given extra points if needed.
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Old 01.10.2012, 09:48
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Thanks for your answers, I guess we'll all have to adapt until you guys bring the "proper" version (not a beta).

In another issue, I thought it was a general problem, but apparently there is something wrong with uploaded.to. I have to manually solve the captchas; I checked out the jacinfo file and there it is, written correctly.

Plus, I can't automatically update the jacinfofile. It just pops up the message: Update Error!

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Old 01.10.2012, 09:48
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is it happened often??, i get this msg after 2-3 captcha and exit the program afterwards..

is it a bug or my installation's fault?

@mspm
it's possible to change to balance the system(faq reference), in addition we get confirmation captcha for 4 credits..

@lelim
what a great system..thx 4 ur hard work..
for the conf..i think it's enough with 3 persons, with 2 same decisions will be used..

*my 1st post
i have the same problem. And i must to start program 8 times because it fails to read configuration :|
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Old 01.10.2012, 09:50
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What happened to the Credit Ratings?
Before I installed the new version, the 01:00 - 13:00 period was 10 Credits per captcha,
and the 13:00 - 01:00 period was 7 Credits per captcha.

Since installing the new version, Credits per captcha is now only 7 for BOTH time periods.
What's up with that? Can we go back to the previous version?

Also, the program is constantly crashing, with both the "Error reading Config" message, and the message in the screenshot below.

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Old 01.10.2012, 11:01
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i think many users thinks my answers are wrong and so i earn no credits:outch:
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:07
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ums nochmal klar zu stellen: tippen wir ein oder beide worte ein??? ich tippe immer beide!!!!


comes again to make it clear: we type in one or two words? I'm guessing both always!!

Last edited by oioioi; 01.10.2012 at 11:10.
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:11
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is this one of your captchas?


Richtig, wir tippen beide Worte wenn sie zu erkennen sind.
DAS ist schließlich der Sinn hinter reCaptcha, Wörter zu erkennen.
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:12
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I always type both.

Ich tippe immer beide.
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:14
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??
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:15
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i m too
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:18
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das ist bestimmt nicht von mir:) aber genug leute tippen nur ein wort oder so wie aus deinem beispiel!!!!
haben die vorher dafür credits bekommen??

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Old 01.10.2012, 11:34
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Ja, denn reCaptcha braucht ja nur das bekannte Wort um ein Captcha richtig zu werten. Zum Download starten reicht es also.
Aber da es bei reCaptcha darum geht, gescannte Wörter zu "erraten", sollten wir das auch tun und Google dabei unterstützen Büchter zu scannen.
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Old 01.10.2012, 11:42
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und das tun wir ja gerne
bewerten wir dann ein mit nur einem wort gelöstes captcha als richtig oder falsch????

Last edited by oioioi; 01.10.2012 at 12:06.
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Old 01.10.2012, 12:32
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In addition, I'm not getting anything from the plugin for Depositfiles either. I don't know how many hosts are not working, but at this rate I'm going to have to go back to 1.1.7 for a while.
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Old 01.10.2012, 13:55
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In addition, I'm not getting anything from the plugin for Depositfiles either. I don't know how many hosts are not working, but at this rate I'm going to have to go back to 1.1.7 for a while.
Hi,
check your jacinfo.xml file in captchabrotherhood folder and see if that contains depositfiles.com in alphabetically correct order. I don't know if any other mystical keyword is needed for depositfiles.com, like "recaptcha" or "solvemedia". also try updating jacinfo.xml file from solver's menu, and see if that works. don't forget to restart JD after modifying jacinfo.xml, it will not be used until jd is restarted.

Also check that folder if input.jpg is created while downloading starts from depositfiles.com.
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Old 01.10.2012, 16:35
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Hi all.

I think the new system is a nice step into the right direction, but I also believe that it was somehow implemented half-assed and as it is I like the old system better.

This is how I think the system should work in a distant future, it might not be absolutely perfect as described, but it contains some new ideas:

Phase1:
At first the recaptcha is sent to preprocessing, which means that people should be awarded for only telling real and fake captcha apart.
This could be implemented as follows: 3 people get to decide about the correct captcha and the fake one, they also get a third button for not sure. If a tie occurs or if 2/3 people vote not sure, then the whole captcha with both parts is sent to phase 2.
If someone times out, then the captcha is redirected once to someone else, if a captcha that has timed out once in phase 1 gets timed out a second time, then it receives a "not sure" vote.
You have 3 seconds time for chosing the correct captcha, you get 0.5 Points for telling a captcha apart which gets confirmed by at least one of the other 2 phase 1 confirmer, JD and by the phase 3 confirmer later on. If one of these 3 confirmation steps fails, then you get nothing. If you click "not sure" you get nothing. If you are outvoted directly in phase 1 (after you made a decision, not if you dismissed) or if you time out, then you lose 2.5 points.
The low point rating is chosen so that only people who are sure they can tell true and fake captcha apart decide to be a phase 1 confirmer.
For a faster workflow it would also be possible to display three captchas at the same time. I myself believe, that I can correctly tell 10 captchas in 15 seconds apart
If fraud occurs here, than it could be changed to something that is more like my Phase 3 suggestion.

The captcha that has been chosen the "true captcha" (or both captchas in many cases) gets forwarded to phase 2, which is the good old captcha solving, with the difference, that the time you have gets reduced to only 20 seconds, which should still be enough.

In phase 3, 5 people get to confirm which is the correct captcha. However as soon as there is a 2:1, or 3:2 advantage or any 2 point (2:0, 3:1,) advantage for correctly solved, than CBH sends the solved captcha to JDownloader. The other 0-3 people are there to make sure that the system is not exploitable and decide how the reward points get distributed.
For that I think phase 3 needed to be changed to something like 2 points+ for a double-correctly-confirmed answer. (If the captcha is not forwarded to JD, then we assume, that JD agrees with the Phase 3 council.) and the other points can stay the same, but phase 3 should be limited to 4-10 seconds in my opinion.

Disadvantages:
- Much to code and many possible error-sources.
-> That all is as said meant as some kind of perspective with new ideas, some kind of brainstorming maybe.
- We would sabotage Google recaptcha worse as we already do.
-> Well, at 4chan we talk about willfully sabotaging google recaptcha and I don't think that works. :D I don't really care about google recaptcha, they do fine without us and when JD could for example effortlessly solve Megaupload-Captcha, noone complained about that.
- 3 Phases mean, that captchas will take longer in average to reach the JDownloader-application.
-> But letting inexperienced users cogitate about what an obviously fake captcha could mean costs much time aswell.

Advantages:
- Many solver (the human kind) would now only have to solve 1 captcha, where they needed to solve 2 captchas before, which also means faster progressing time.
- For abusing the system ones bots needed to gain 3 of 5 positions of the same council which seems unlikely to me. (If you keep banning
- bad recaptcha bots would be puzzled by getting half the google recaptcha which is good, because if we wanted our captchas to be solved by bad recaptcha bots, then we would just implement bad recaptcha bots into JDownloader.
- One more way to earn credits means more variety which is good in case I'm using CBH a LOT and get bored of doing the same stuff all the time.
- Right now the confirmers are at issue wether cases where the true captcha was answered correctly and the fake captcha was not answered should be treated as correctly answered or wrong answered.
With my implementation that wouldn't be the case, because if the Phase 1 council can't decide which captcha is the real one, then the Phase 2 solver should just input both captchas.

Last edited by lolcat; 01.10.2012 at 16:42.
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Old 01.10.2012, 17:55
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Hi@all,
just my 2cents:
I don't think, this should be a "quality-service" for solved captchas, but an option for detecting "cheating bots".
After my experience, you can distingish between a (wrong) solved captcha and a cheater.
If, for example, I see a solution "faUarr" instead of "fallarr" I would quote it "solved" instead of "incorrect"...
But, if there is a solution "fgfggfh" for a clearly visible "that" I would quote it "cheated".
Maybe the selection buttons should show "solved" and "cheated" instead of "true" and "false".
Instead (or addionally) to the immediate penalty for the "cheater", one could also change the "user-rating": Less rating > less requests
Maybe there should be also a second confirmation for a cheated-captcha.

Last edited by JodoL; 01.10.2012 at 17:59.
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