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Old 07.03.2015, 12:06
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Firstly, hello and thanks for all your efforts with the excellent JD2.

That said, I'm being overwhelmed by several-times daily updates, including on each startup, despite believing to have disabled this in settings.

Here is what I have in Advanced Settings:

BubbleNotify: Bubble Notify On Update Availabe - UNCHECKED

Even so, I consistently receive notifications on startup AND throughout; for instance this prompt emerges numerous times per day:

"A new JDownloader Update is available. To install, a restart is required. Do you want to restart & install the update now?"

And yet, this is my setting for:

UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Installing An Update - UNCHECKED

Additionally, I have attempted to "install Updates silently during the next JDStart" by checking appropriately the following:

UpdateSettings: Do Ask My [sic] Before Installing An Update

More Settings:

UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit - CHECKED

(But, of course, it doesn't act accordingly, installing on startup and throughout instead.)

UpdateSettings: Install Updates Silently If Possible - CHECKED

(As noted above, it doesn't do this silently "in the background without restarting; rather, it prompts instead.)

Please let me know if I've interpreteted the settings incorrectly or whether there is a solution on your end in order to cease the incessant prompts.

Thanks.

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Old 07.03.2015, 12:19
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Same problem here.

I also get this message.
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Old 07.03.2015, 12:47
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@Super JD
once again, you along with some others miss understand those settings
if you uncheck 'UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Installing An Update - UNCHECKED' you will get prompted... effectively you've made it 'ask before installing...'.

default settings should only notify you (with bubble notify disabled) by a flashing icon on the toolbar and notification within titlebar (assuming you have set that titlebar option).
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Old 07.03.2015, 13:19
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once again, you along with some others miss understand those settings
if you uncheck 'UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Installing An Update - UNCHECKED' you will get prompted... effectively you've made it 'ask before installing...'.
I will instead check this setting now and anticipate the results I want. As for misunderstanding these settings, I think it is reasonable to expect the behaviour noted in the "Description" of that "Key", where it states:

"Key": UpateSettings: Do Ask Before Downloading An Update

"Description": If enabled, JDownloader will ask before starting to download Updates.

As such, should it not follow that it will be understood that unchecking this will result in JDownloader NOT asking before starting to download updates...?

In other words, I'm expected to enable JD2 to ask before starting to download updates in order to disable it to ask starting to download updates? This seems counterintuitive. I gather that this is meant to make sense, and perhaps I lack the necessary insight; maybe you can explain why this is worded this way?

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default settings should only notify you (with bubble notify disabled) by a flashing icon on the toolbar and notification within titlebar (assuming you have set that titlebar option).
Yes, I have that titlebar option, and it does indeed flash accordingly - in addition to the prompts and frequent updates that emerge on their own.

Thanks for your reply.

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Old 07.03.2015, 15:24
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Well, as noted above, I have since made the change you suggested, and on my second restart of JD2, the unwanted behaviour has resumed. Update on restart, and, subsequently, repeated prompts alerting to updates.

I'm familiar with JDownloader, have used it for years, have had consistent preferences that have remained that way since prior to JD2, and JD2 itself did not always behave as described in this thread. Until a few weeks ago I did not receive the constant prompts.

But here they are, constantly stealing focus, constantly prompting, constantly desperate to update.

I've made what seems to me a counterintuitive setting, yet that what you have indeed suggested, and sadly even this measure hasn't solved the problem.

Please indicate how to proceed, for JD2 will very sadly be rendered useless to me until it ceases to steal focus countless times per day. My workflow benefits from, but does not exist soley for, JD2.

Many thanks for any help.
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Old 07.03.2015, 16:28
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Please reset all update settings in advaned settings. Then JDownloader install updates normally on shutdown of JDownloader and not notifiying at all.
Do you use http://my.jdownloader.org ? Maybe the update stuff gets triggered externally?
This is clearly some kind of missconfiguration (thats why I ask you to reset the values).
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Old 07.03.2015, 17:26
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Please reset all update settings in advaned settings. Then JDownloader install updates normally on shutdown of JDownloader and not notifiying at all. This is clearly some kind of missconfiguration (thats why I ask you to reset the values).
I will do as you suggest, yet in this instance too, there is yet another default setting that, in its wording, suggests that this would be contrary to what I wish to achieve:

BubbleNotify: Bubble Notify On Update Available

The default value is "true", meaning CHECKED.

This default value suggests that it would enable bubble notifications of updates, whereas I am seeking to avoid notifications, prompts, bubbles - and especially to avoid these stealing focus - in particular when this happens seemingly without end.

I don't quite understand how enabling bubble notifications will prevent bubble notifications of updates, but perhaps you are suggesting that this setting, like another setting referred to earlier in the thread, is also best to set to the opposite of my actual preference, in order to achieve my preference.

Another default setting is this:

UpdateSettings: Update Gui always on top

Description: If enabled, the Updater Gui will always be on top of all other windows

So, the default value would see me opt for JD2 to steal focus by always updating "on top", yet I am very much, as noted repeatedly, wishing to avoid updaters, prompts, bubbles, etc stealing focus and being on top.

Am I understanding correctly in that I have to enable the opposite of what I want in order to achieve what I want? Why would your settings be structured this way? And how, if I understand correctly, will I discern which of your many other Advanced Settings not to do with updates I need to anticipate the opposite value of what I want in order to set it correctly. Or, perhaps, this opposite-is-true approach only relates to (some) of the update settings? You'll understand my bewilderment, no?

I will, however, yield to your expertise, and attempt to reset it, and all other update settings to the default, including enabling the bubble notifiers, in the hope that the updates and prompts (and indeed the bubble notifiers) will stop.

I'll keep an open mind, avoid obvious conclusions, and follow up with how this turns out.

Thank you.

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Do you use **External links are only visible to Support Staff**... ? Maybe the update stuff gets triggered externally?
No, I don't use this...

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Old 08.03.2015, 01:14
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@Super JD
once again, you along with some others miss understand those settings
if you uncheck 'UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Installing An Update - UNCHECKED' you will get prompted... effectively you've made it 'ask before installing...'.

default settings should only notify you (with bubble notify disabled) by a flashing icon on the toolbar and notification within titlebar (assuming you have set that titlebar option).
Sorry I miss read that title when I copied pasted, that and I think it used to have a 'NOT' within its title which inverted the checkbox setting and it used confused some users. I have a feeling coalado changed it recently.

I have JDownloader 2.0 installed on VM for testing purposes, and I never receive any dialogs indicating updates are ready to download, just flashing toolbar and title bar notifications (with bubble notify set to NEVER, as its very laggy over RPD). Its strange that some get notifications and others don't. I do get confirmation dialog when I click update, or when I close/start JD and there is an update pending to install (core update was already downloaded, pending approval to be installed).

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Old 08.03.2015, 13:38
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I have by now followed, in turn, the instructions by Jiaz and I also tried to do what raztoki suggested. Thank you to both of you for your efforts.

Nevertheless, neither worked.

I have also, again, in a separate configuration, attempted the suggestions above, but NOT checking...

BubbleNotify: Bubble Notify On Update Available

...since logic would dictate, that despite the suggestion to revert to default values, it makes no sense to enable being notified of updates when I don't want to be notified.

Yet, as I noted above, I tried it your way (twice) and my way, and the results don't change. One or another (or various) notifiers frequently alert and irritate. In particular, I'm being notified of updates, where the dialog allows to dismiss until "later". This particular notifier returns and returns, regardless of what I choose.

Moreover, the updates / updaters / nags / notifiers / bubbles relentlessly steal focus and hover overtop my workflow.

Here's what I need, please, to make it as clear as possible:

What I would like:

1. I would like updates to be enabled (in other words, not requiring to update manually)

2. I would like updates to happen silently / in the background (in other words, I would like ANY update-related GUI to be disabled)

3. I would like updates to download and/or install on exit (ideally) or, if they must occur on startup, I would like them to do so silently (without notifying in ANY manner, as already noted above)


What I would not like:

1. I would not like to be notified of updates in any manner, in particular: i would not like the stealing of focus by updaters / notifiers / bubbles / prompts related to updates

2. I would not like JD2 to restart / exit JD2 until I choose to restart / exit JD2 and without having been prompted to restart / exit in the first place


Again, until recently, JD2 (and its prior incarnation) worked without the constant update nags the way I am experiencing it now. Prior to the current period, I did not have update windows burst overtop of my workflow. I have not changed any settings until yesterday, so it must be something to do with JD2 itself.

I appreciate your efforts to help, but clearly another solution is now needed. I really like JDownloader, but it is not useful to me, as it is now. Something has made it act more like some sort of nagware, and were it not for the fact that JDownloader has served me very, very well for a long time, I would have already wiped it from my system.

Please help, if you can. I still believe that the behaviour I'm experiencing isn't normal nor - seemingly - intended or typical of other users' experience. Something must have gone amiss and I will need your help.

Thank you again.

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Old 08.03.2015, 13:43
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Will inform coalado so he will check/respond on monday
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Old 08.03.2015, 14:21
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Thanks very much.
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Old 12.03.2015, 16:39
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Several days onwards I'm awaiting a follow-up on the problems I'm experiencing with JDownloader.

I have attempted every possible combination of checked and unchecked settings for updates in the Advanced Settings. None of my efforts have been able to prevent, at the very least, the most annoying of prompts:


"New Update Available"

"A new JDownloader Update is available. To install, a restart is required. Do you want to restart & install the update now."


Again, in my experience, the previously reliable JDownloader is now exhibiting the behaviour of nagware, rather than that of a steady assistant. Several of the descriptions in the Advanced Settings relating to Updates still remain incorrectly and/or poorly worded, as has been previously pointed out in this forum, and which - while responded to - remains unresolved.

Please refer to Posts #27 & #28 here:

https://board.jdownloader.org/showth...+Update&page=2

The concerns addressed by others, and seemingly "solved" and explained in Post #24 on the same page do not apply in my case. That is, the "solution" isn't solved on my end.

Please, is there a solution to make JD2 behave less instrusively or am I better served by using another product? And might one of the countless updates at least correct the incorrectly worded description, as noted above?

Thank you.
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Old 12.03.2015, 16:55
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Can you please join our chat and contact me there for a teamviewer session?
This would help a lot to solve the problem asap.
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Old 14.03.2015, 02:56
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Thank you very much for your reply, coalado, and for your eagerness to help. I am, however, disinclined to install another program to help sort out this one. Furthermore, I would like to think that a set specific choices in the (relatively) few options for updates in Advanced Settings ought to be able to prevent the behaviour I've pointed out in this thread.

As I noted before, this one, in particular, seems to be impossible to thwart...

"New Update Available"

"A new JDownloader Update is available. To install, a restart is required. Do you want to restart & install the update now."

...no matter the choices I make in the settings - unless, of course, I'm continuously overlooking a setting or mistakenly repeating the same choice(s). While this may be unlikely (given my many attempts), it is certainly possible.

And yet, it remains a fact that at least one of the following two settings is incorrectly worded, as noted in at least one other thread (and mentioned previously in this thread):

UpdateSettings: Do Ask My Before Installing An Update
UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Downloading An Update

The "My", above, is certainly wrong; and from what I've noted in other threads, one the two settings, above, may be missing a "not"...?

Other settings and/or its descriptions may also not be entirely clear - or - I am interpreting them differently to how you understand them. For instance, I have always kept this setting unchecked:

BubbleNotify: Bubble Notify On Update Available

and yet I keep getting notified of updates. Maybe you would or wouldn't consider what I see as "bubbles" but therein lies part of the problem too: the distinction between prompts and bubbles isn't necessarily clear to the end user. A novice will have to get used to some of this, but I've been using JD for many years, am very comfortable with changing advanced settings, and have customised the program countless times. I've enjoyed a long spell without update prompts/bubbles/sliders and am alarmed at their very recent arrival and refusal to go away despite my efforts.

So, I ask again, what settings do you endorse to keep these alerts at bay - or is it possible that recent updates to the program have made it impossible to do so - at least for the moment?

I trust that a simple and specific set of settings, as provided by you, and/or the correction of one or two settings (or at least their wording), will lead to success without the need to install another program.

Thank you again.
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Old 14.03.2015, 03:54
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teamviewer doesn't need to be installed, you can run the installer as application (they give you that option), there is also a quick help exe (available teamviewer or our website) which only allow only incoming connections.

That said I don't think teamviewer is needed, my recommendations

- make sure that 'UpdateSettings: Do Ask My Before Installing An Update' == false doesn't give you the do you want to install/restart confirmation install dialog. You will probably still get a dialog if you are downloading/linkgrabber tasks are running asking you to confirm that you want to restart client, else not active it will just restart. Otherwise you will get an issue where accidental clicking of update button will force a restart even if JD is busy with tasks.
- UpdateSettings: Install Updates Silently If Possible, change key name to 'UpdateSettings: Install PLUGIN Updates Silently If Possible', as some do not read description.
- Also a option to install core updates automatically during inactive times (when not downloading/linkgrabber tasks), so that confirmation isn't required. This would be useful for NAS/remote users who just want it to run with minimal fuss. The only downside would be automatically installing a bad update, and JD failing to restart. New setting, UpdateSettings: Install CORE Updates Automatically If Possible, with description, 'installs core updates automatically when not actively downloading or running crawler tasks.', Dependencies would be 'do ask to install updates' = false and 'do ask to download updates' = false


I have disabled bubble notify entirely on VM because it hellish lagged interface and just doesn't work well over RPD, though I have standalone running from jar on my system also but with bubble notify enabled but update notification disabled in bubble notify settings and I'm never prompted. And within IDE you don't get update notifications at all, which is how I normally run JD on my desktop as IDE is open anyway. =]

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Old 14.03.2015, 10:19
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What I would like:

1. I would like updates to be enabled (in other words, not requiring to update manually)

2. I would like updates to happen silently / in the background (in other words, I would like ANY update-related GUI to be disabled)

3. I would like updates to download and/or install on exit (ideally) or, if they must occur on startup, I would like them to do so silently (without notifying in ANY manner, as already noted above)
1. -> UpdateSettings: Auto Update Check =true (default)
2. & 3.
JD tries to install updates when you exit jd by clicking the [x] Button or using the the exit Menu entry.
In this case, there will be a tray icon that shows that Updates are installed, and a "bubble". The bubble can be minimized, and jd will remeber its state. (UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit Panel Visible). The Tray Icon however, can not be disabled.
--> UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit Panel Visible =false
If this "install on exit" fails, JD will try to install the update before the next start. Installing an update may take a few seconds, or several minutes. If I would not show any GUI, you would wonder why JD takes so long to start. Would you really want this?

If you exit JD normally, it will install it's updates silently on-exit, and you will not see this screen when you start.
If you often get this Update Dialog when starting, you might exit jd wrong? If this would help, I could introduce another flag to disable installation on start completlly.

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What I would not like:

1. I would not like to be notified of updates in any manner, in particular: i would not like the stealing of focus by updaters / notifiers / bubbles / prompts related to updates



2. I would not like JD2 to restart / exit JD2 until I choose to restart / exit JD2 and without having been prompted to restart / exit in the first place
1.
UpdateSettings: Do Ask My Before Installing An Update = false (default)
UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Downloading An Update=false(default)
UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit Panel Visible=false
UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit=true(default)
UpdateSettings: Install Updates Silently If Possible=true(default)
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JD does not do this anyway.
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Old 24.03.2015, 23:47
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Thank you, coalado and raztoki, for your efforts.

I've taken several days to try out the settings suggested by coalado. Between these and any subsequent updates (if indeed they are related), the difficulties I've experienced have been largely solved.

I have been prompted, albeit only once so far, on startup, that there is an update, and asking me whether I want to install it. This behaviour isn't ideal, and I would prefer if it could be avoided completely, but at least it's no longer happening several times daily.

The update icon in the toolbar flashes when there is an update; this doesn't bother me, and in fact I prefer this behaviour.

With that in mind:

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If you exit JD normally, it will install it's updates silently on-exit, and you will not see this screen when you start.
If you often get this Update Dialog when starting, you might exit jd wrong?
I always exit by clicking the "Exit" icon in my toolbar, as customised.

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The bubble can be minimized, and jd will remeber its state. (UpdateSettings: Install Updates On Exit Panel Visible). The Tray Icon however, can not be disabled.
I have no issue with the JD icon in the tray, though I haven't yet been able to recognise where/how the bubble you mention can be minimised. I'd very much like for JD to remember this state.

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...JD will try to install the update before the next start. Installing an update may take a few seconds, or several minutes. If I would not show any GUI, you would wonder why JD takes so long to start. Would you really want this?
It wouldn't bother me, this. That said, I'm fine with the on-start GUI showing the update installation. And yet, I seem to recall that in the previous version of JD this was possible to do with applicable settings. At least, I remember that JD sometimes did take a long time to start without any GUI informing why. Either way, I'm fine with how it is now.

This leads me to this:

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I could introduce another flag to disable installation on start completlly.
JD2 is incredibly rich with providing user-end choices/settings/custom preferences. For this I'm very thankful. It has many more options than almost any other program that I can think of; certainly without having to install (third-party) plugins. I recognise, then, that the developers have clearly spent a lot of time and effort honing these preferences. I also know that user feedback has also prompted some of these to be implemented. You may, then, feel that JD has just about everything that it ought to have regarding custom settings. Even so, I would welcome any and all custom settings that you can provide; the above quoted one, included.

Before that, I view as very important, the previously mentioned incorrectly/awkwardly-phrased descriptions in Advanced Settings. I think that these really ought to be corrected first.

No, they don't render JD a poor, let alone, useless tool. They do, however, take away from an otherwise professional and slick product. I reckon that details matter, especially when (at very least, part) of the aim is to sell something.

I don't know; maybe this is only a factor in the English-language version of JD2. I haven't installed the German-language variant to see if the phrasing is likewise cumbersome/misleading.

I will leave that in your capable hands. I do however, and again, ask that you please correct some of the wording.

And, again, for the most part my concerns have been addressed.

Many thanks again for your responses, for all of your help, and for JD2 itself.

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Old 25.03.2015, 08:34
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I have been prompted, albeit only once so far, on startup, that there is an update, and asking me whether I want to install it. This behaviour isn't ideal, and I would prefer if it could be avoided completely, but at least it's no longer happening several times daily.
JD should not prompt. If it does, I understand why this is annoying.

Please check the advanced options:
UpdateSettings: Do Ask Me Before Installing An Update
UpdateSettings: Do Ask Before Downloading An Update



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incorrectly/awkwardly-phrased descriptions
Should be fixed. I cannot see any incorrect description.

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I will do this asap
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Old 25.03.2015, 12:44
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Ich wurde heute beim Start von JD2 auch gefragt, ob ich Updates herunterladen und ein zweites Mal, ob ich sie installieren will. Die beiden Settings sind nicht aktiviert und so sollte es auch keine Nachfragen geben.
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Ich würde mir das gerne mal via Teamviewer anschauen. wäre das möglich?
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