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Old 22.07.2011, 11:18
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I just installed 1.1.5 for the first time, and I got a loop of error messages that kept saying: "Error loading config file!" and I ended up having to end the process. About the 3rd or 4th time of opening the program, I was finally able to put in my username and password and answer a couple captchas. But then it crashed with another error message. When I tried opening again, I was getting the "Error loading config file!" message again. I'm on Win 7 X64

Update: JDownloader is now stuck on waiting for a captcha to be answered. I cannot exit JDownloader. It did not give me the option to answer my own captcha (is this part of the cbh? can I disable this so I can also answer my own?).
can you send me screenshot of error to captchabrotherhood@gmail.com ?

open solver, click "about", click "open", a directory windows will be opened.
can you send me "solver_logFile" and "plugin_logFile" to captchabrotherhood@gmail.com ?

if you add me to msn (captchabrotherhood@gmail.com) we solve problem faster.
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Old 22.07.2011, 14:47
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I do not like mistakes/typo = -8! It is like a punishment for people who support the system. Sometimes the captchas are very difficult to solve and after the third mistake I have no fun anymore with Brotherhood
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Old 22.07.2011, 14:49
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can you send me screenshot of error to captchabrotherhood@gmail.com ?

open solver, click "about", click "open", a directory windows will be opened.
can you send me "solver_logFile" and "plugin_logFile" to captchabrotherhood@gmail.com ?

if you add me to msn (captchabrotherhood@gmail.com) we solve problem faster.
hi

here is the same problem, i think install dir on C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Local\Captcha_Brotherhood\ is very bad

solver_logfile

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22.07.2011 13:43:06 : starting getConfig!
22.07.2011 13:43:06 : getconfig: user-pass = xxx:xxx
22.07.2011 13:43:21 :
DB connection error. Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to obtaining a connection from the pool. This may have occurred because all pooled connections were in use and max pool size was reached.
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.GetConnection(DbConnection owningConnection)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionClosed.OpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.Open()
at ocrHood.solverConfig.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) in D:\projeler\ocrHood\ocrHood\solverConfig.aspx.cs:line 43
22.07.2011 13:43:21 : can't process config variables : Der Index war außerhalb des Arraybereichs.
bei captchaSolver.frmCaptchaSolver.getConfig()



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Old 22.07.2011, 15:31
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I do not like mistakes/typo = -8! It is like a punishment for people who support the system. Sometimes the captchas are very difficult to solve and after the third mistake I have no fun anymore with Brotherhood
imagine you dont use CBH or any plugin and enter captchas manually.
if you enter for wrong captcha for very difficult image ? what happens ?
you just enter another captcha for same file.

while using CBH result of loosing 8 credit is same !
you just enter another captcha. there IS NO difference.

if we don't -8 credit, MANY people will enter random captchas and system will be sabotaged, this is not guess, this is lived history :(
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Old 22.07.2011, 15:35
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hi

here is the same problem, i think install dir on C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Local\Captcha_Brotherhood\ is very bad

solver_logfile


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our install dir is
C:\Program Files\Brotherhood Software\Captcha Brotherhood\

we use
C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Local\Captcha_Brotherhood\
to store necessary files, because on some w7 and vista computers, we need admin rigths to store data under "C:\Program Files\" directory. and some users dont like running CBH and JD with admin rights.

your problem is timeout problem, our server was busy when you request captcha. try few minutes later when you get timeout error please.
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Old 22.07.2011, 16:44
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imagine you dont use CBH or any plugin and enter captchas manually.
if you enter for wrong captcha for very difficult image ? what happens ?
you just enter another captcha for same file.

while using CBH result of loosing 8 credit is same !
you just enter another captcha. there IS NO difference.


if we don't -8 credit, MANY people will enter random captchas and system will be sabotaged, this is not guess, this is lived history :(
It is not the same!

One credit complies with one file download, right?
If I enter a wrong captcha without a plugin, I do not get a File. If I enter a wrong captcha in CBH, I do not earn a credit. This is the same!

But I lose Credits in CBH! It is just like deleting a downloaded file from my HD after I entered a wrong Captcha without a plugin.


Many People will enter random captchas? Not really. They want credits and with random captchas they get no credits.

Please not misunderstand me, I like your work but this Point you should rethinking. It is very demotivating to lose something what I have already earned. This is lived history :(

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Old 22.07.2011, 16:46
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@Tiescher
lelim is right, -points for wrong captchas are needed!
Captchatrader is also used by many people who earn points through referals and the system only works because the people working for captchatrader do the balance

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Old 22.07.2011, 17:29
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O.K I am outvoted, but i think it is still demotivating. It is debatable whether the System is really works with this point. It is a punishment! And Systems who punished me i don't like
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Old 22.07.2011, 17:30
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Now think:
I don't have a problem entering 5-10 captchas more than usually as long as my downloads run fully automated then...

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Old 22.07.2011, 17:59
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This is why I accept the relation between 8 earn and 10 costs, but I don't accept punishment for illegible captchas. And of course I think.

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Old 22.07.2011, 21:22
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@Tiescher
But this is especially good against those who type in wrong captchas on purpose!

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Old 22.07.2011, 21:47
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How can I temporarily disable the captcha brotherhood plugin from auto-filling my captchas while I'm at my computer, so I can fill them myself (without disabling JD's auto-captcha)?
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Old 22.07.2011, 21:58
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@RobbieG
You can't.
You would have to make a little tool that removes the ocrhood folder.

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You can't.
You would have to make a little tool that removes the ocrhood folder.

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Where is that folder located?
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Old 22.07.2011, 22:06
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[your JD programmfolder]/jd/captcha/methods

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Old 22.07.2011, 22:09
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[your JD programmfolder]/jd/captcha/methods
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Old 22.07.2011, 23:26
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Many People will enter random captchas? Not really. They want credits and with random captchas they get no credits.
some users entered hundreds of wrong captcha hours long to sabotage system. their goal was not earning credit and downloading files.
A sabotager can enter 100 captcha in a hour, and average regular user sends 1 captcha with JD in a hour. this mean a single sabotager can stop ALL downloads of 100 people. this is like DDOS attack to web servers.

to protect system from sabotagers we have some solutions ;
- giving -8 credit for wrong captcha
- international SMS verification as youtube does

SMS case: cost of sms verification is high for us. if we want your mobile number to send sms, i guess you will be more angry
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Old 22.07.2011, 23:29
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Well then just check all captcha responses with reCaptchas haha :D

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Old 23.07.2011, 04:42
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@Tiescher the system does need to punish the users account in some manner, CBH does this by -8 and most likely bans the account once its reached -X points as a threshold. CT does it slightly different but still bans accounts on automated attack or trying to use antirecaptcha to solve/earn points. Both of these are easy to detect as they have much lower success rates than humans.

Does CBH have skip button? if you cant read the captcha maybe you should ask for another instead of risking chance of getting it wrong? Been some time since I've used CBH and can't recall.
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Does CBH have skip button? if you cant read the captcha maybe you should ask for another instead of risking chance of getting it wrong? Been some time since I've used CBH and can't recall.
CBH does't have skip button because JD does't have skip button too.
CBH is just gateway between remote users JD and you.
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@lelim
A skip button might be a nice feature.
Note that if you type in a wrong captcha, all JD does is show a new one.
If a user presses the "skip" button this basically means he can't read the captcha so there also is no need to punish him.
Also you can check how many times a user presses that button and if he does it too often->BAN

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Old 23.07.2011, 18:24
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Proposal for C.Brotherhood,
1) why not add magnification level for user to select preferable magnification, this will help to increase the accuracy of reading captcha.
2) only prompt the captcha image and enter result in window taskbar.
3) add OCR result suggestions or options in reading captcha. this will help a lot.
anyway the prompting method for CB is better than C.trader that prompt with browser.
-tried CB 1.1.5, it works.
-tried CT, but never even use the Skip button. it serve no purpose.

Questions:
-if install both CB and CT, which one will deduct 1st?
-if the 1st one is CB and my point is "0", will it continue with CT automatically?
-is easy share working with CB or CT now?

Request:
can anyone share a hosting site list with speed comparison, resume function,...?
This will help on selecting better host.
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Old 23.07.2011, 22:45
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-is easy share working with CB or CT now?
If you add "recaptcha" to the services in the jacinfo it should work!
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can anyone share a hosting site list with speed comparison, resume function,...?
Test it...

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Old 24.07.2011, 02:51
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some users entered hundreds of wrong captcha hours long to sabotage system. their goal was not earning credit and downloading files.
But this is also possible with the -8 penalty, or not? I did not try and check this possibility. However, I would be delighted to see a skip-button in the next update. This is a really good idea against illegible captchas without demotivating punishments.

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Old 24.07.2011, 09:19
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@KHW
having more than one alternative solve method running/installed at the same time will make them fight one another (I've seen antirecaptcha + CBH). Id advise against installing/using two(or more) packages as it just causes headaches.

http://jdownloader.org/hoster out dated a bit these days

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Skip doesn't involve jd, it just involves rolling captcha onto another user within your network. Skip doesn't hurt the network too much other than reducing your average solve time (if used). Your two way communication could be adapted to support skip function easy enough. What happens now if a user gets a captcha yet doesn't solve it in time? It must reassign to another user yah? In my opinion no need for penalties unless abused.

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If a user can't read a captcha, why pass it to the next user??

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Old 24.07.2011, 16:33
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I have to agree with the "skip" button, or no points if a person enters a wrong captcha.

For example:
Difficult recaptcha => skip
But not making another user resolve it, instead trying to "reload" the captcha my entering bogus information. It will give you a new recaptcha for that file.

I'm not sure why there is a penalty system. I mean, why not just not add credits if the captcha is wrong?
Is someone wanted to sabotage the system like someone said before, even with a penalty system, he'll be able to do it.

This penalty system, at least for me, is making me not want to use it. Having to wait for a captcha for 40-50 seconds, hoping for it to be readable, and after all that waiting, I get less points than what I started with.

Sorry, but I really don't see the logic in this penalty system.

There are other ways to stop cheating. Like, if somebody enters wrong captcha too many times, freeze account for 24 hours, etc.
Nobody will have such bad luck and enter a captcha wrong 4 or 5 times in a row, for example.

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Old 24.07.2011, 20:28
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Hello,

i would like to know, how long my credits will be available? I installed captcha brothers yesterday and made approx 300 credits ...

Even if i don't use them for 2-3 weeks, will they be available than?

About the ongoing discussion: Maybe if someone answers 3+ wrong captchas in a row, put him on lower priority for some time so other users get the newly captchas to fill in at first?!
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Old 24.07.2011, 21:43
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@pspzockerscene
loads of people have vision impairments, its their choice to answer said captcha or should be, without being forced or punished.

@others.
penalty in some form or manner does need to happen otherwise abuse can occur. I've had this discussion with @lelim multiple times, but he choose to -8 function (guess its easier to implement) and it keeps his users reasonable honest. CT does this better in my opinion as it punishes differently. Personally think you should favour users with the best response time and corrective percentages over people that fail deliberately or more often. The person fails the lest gets rewarded for it and so does your network (this can be done with easy enough with math). If someone abuses to the point of only getting 50% (X% factor) correct warn than and then ban their account.

In my opinion passive systems work better keeping personal and community morale high.

@Gab
think in the beginning @lelim was seeking out fairest (non paid) system with cost10 earn9, which did allow for him and his friends to still use the system without having to enter captchas themselves. And has since reduced earn by one point as mentioned.

Once again penalty system did need to be introduced as already explained, but the disappointing thing was he implemented the easiest solution which was negative points, when accounts reaches negative threshold ban account. Disappointing in the manner it punishes users who accidentally make honest mistakes, as it doesn't / can't discriminate over deliberate and honest. Guess this is what now separates CBH and CT, that's were you have to decide which platform is best for you! and if you don't like features/quirks look for an alternative. =]
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Old 25.07.2011, 01:32
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Hi,

actual i have 406 available credits, but when i start a filesonic link, the time goes down to zero and then immediately it shows "plugin defect".

Is it possible to stop captcha brotherhood to see if filesonic has a problem or captcha brotherhood?
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As the errormessage says the plugin has a problem.
Please enter the filesonic thread here in the board and report it...

...and NO, plugins can't tell captcha methods that they're broken!

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Hmm ok, thought that as well as i tried another filesonic link and these link worked.

Anyway, my question is still active: is it possible to close the captcha brothers addon for a while to try it alone?
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So I tried making a batch file to turn CBH off/on from auto-answering captchas for you. The off one looks like this:
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rename "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\JDownloader\jd\captcha\methods\captchaBrotherhood" "captchaBrotherhood.bak"
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rename "%ProgramFiles(x86)%\JDownloader\jd\captcha\methods\captchaBrotherhood.bak" "captchaBrotherhood"
This works to turn it off. Turning it back on works unless CBH makes a new captchaBrotherhood folder (which it has done before to me). I've tried with using the move command, but again, there are problems if CBH makes a new folder (it moves the .bak folder into the new one). I've thought about having the "On" script delete any captchaBrotherhood folder first, but thought this could be dangerous if you accidentally clicked the "On" script twice.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

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This works to turn it off. Turning it back on works unless CBH makes a new captchaBrotherhood folder (which it has done before to me). I've tried with using the move command, but again, there are problems if CBH makes a new folder (it moves the .bak folder into the new one). I've thought about having the "On" script delete any captchaBrotherhood folder first, but thought this could be dangerous if you accidentally clicked the "On" script twice.

Any thoughts/suggestions?
just rename jacinfo.xml and restart JD.
when you start CBH solver, it automaticly create plugin directory and copy files.

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But this is also possible with the -8 penalty, or not? I did not try and check this possibility. However, I would be delighted to see a skip-button in the next update. This is a really good idea against illegible captchas without demotivating punishments.
it is not possible with -8 penalty.
we are working for server optimization on these days.

we will re-analyze skip button and penalty system after we keep server more stable.

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Hello,

i would like to know, how long my credits will be available? I installed captcha brothers yesterday and made approx 300 credits ...

Even if i don't use them for 2-3 weeks, will they be available than?
credits will be available infinite in theory
they will be available while our project is running.

as i said before we'll redesign skip button and penalty system after we upgrade & maintenance our server.

captchas coming like raindrops as system grow

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Old 25.07.2011, 23:48
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I do not think a skip button is a good idea. When you are using your credits in JD, you want people to try to answer your captchas, not just skip you. Plus, too many wrong captchas/skips, and your download might get put on hold from the server (seen this in filesonic I think).
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Old 26.07.2011, 00:24
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hi lelim,
first of all I'd like to thank you for developing such a wonderful program...

however unfortunately I have a small problem with the v1.1.5 beta. When I start the captcha solver, the program window starts in the right size but after a few seconds the right part disappears so I can only see half of the captchas i am supposed to solve. So far I have not found a way to display the whole mask, but maybe I am just stupid

Thank you in advance,
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Old 26.07.2011, 00:38
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Originally Posted by RobbieG View Post
I do not think a skip button is a good idea. When you are using your credits in JD, you want people to try to answer your captchas, not just skip you. Plus, too many wrong captchas/skips, and your download might get put on hold from the server (seen this in filesonic I think).
Your wrong buddy, skip does not hurt your download or your credits, If its not solved you don't get charged. IT should just pass it to another user to solve, not every user is going to skip. Whole idea if skip is to prevent wrong answer, a skip button/feature will/should reduce the amount of wrong answers on a hoster not make it worse. And yes many hosters ban on multiple bad attempts, though this is still aimed for anti-recaptcha detection (which has a very low success rate ~17%). The only negative thing would be increasing the average solve time, this should be very minimal as skip should be used rarely. I've only used skip on CaptchTrader handful of times myself.
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Old 26.07.2011, 00:50
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hi lelim,
however unfortunately I have a small problem with the v1.1.5 beta. When I start the captcha solver, the program window starts in the right size but after a few seconds the right part disappears so I can only see half of the captchas i am supposed to solve. So far I have not found a way to display the whole mask, but maybe I am just stupid
hi,
your display setting are set to 125% i think. you can change it to 100% from start->control panel->Display and personalization->display
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