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Old 14.06.2010, 15:19
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No not putting it in there isn't declining it.
Here in the forum i have the threadprefix "unresolvable" which means in this case "declined" but i can't just decline features.

Well but on the other side you're right, features can also be declined in the Bugtracker so i'll put yours in.

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Old 14.06.2010, 15:38
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You mentioned that jD is a memory hog. I don't see why unless you're using a 64 bits version of the JRE. My copy of jD is currently running in 14 MB of RAM.

A history feature for jD is planned. Feature #176: DownloadHistory.

The list of devs can be viewed at jD's developers page.

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I don't understand why u guys are so opposed to it when it this feature would make it more user friendly?
I don't see how this can be solved with check boxes. Do you know how many file types there are?
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Old 14.06.2010, 15:41
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@madmax2
No not putting it in there isn't declining it.
Here in the forum i have the threadprefix "unresolvable" which means in this case "declined" but i can't just decline features.

Well but on the other side you're right, features can also be declined in the Bugtracker so i'll put yours in.

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GreeZ pspzockerscene
Thanks for adding it. Though your less than stella lack of endorsment doesn't make it sound too great.

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I need to ask with the current link filter

#Ignorefiletype 'olo':

.+?\.olo

#Ignore hoster 'examplehost.com':

.*?examplehost\.com.*?

How do you suppose to use it? There's no documentation.

do u do
.+?\.exe if u want to ignore exe.

It's not very user friendly. I don't get how u are suppose to use it?
Why don't u just make it more easy to use?

like add these filetypes if u want to ignore them

exe flv mp4 jpg

Why need to do
.+?\.exe etc..
It's very confusing what we need to do.
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Old 14.06.2010, 15:45
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Regex is a great way to ignore hosts in this case because they're easy to use and you don't have to make thousands of checkboxes.
Just play a little bit with them and if it doesn't work i can help you

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Old 14.06.2010, 15:59
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@madmax2

Regular expressions are very flexible and powerful. I use them all the time to conduct searches on my disks or in text files.
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Old 14.06.2010, 16:00
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@madmax2
Regex is a great way to ignore hosts in this case because they're easy to use and you don't have to make thousands of checkboxes.
Just play a little bit with them and if it doesn't work i can help you

GreeZ pspzockerscene
I need to ask with the current link filter

#Ignorefiletype 'olo':

.+?\.olo

#Ignore hoster 'examplehost.com':

.*?examplehost\.com.*?

How do you suppose to use it? There's no documentation.

do u do
.+?\.exe if u want to ignore exe.

It's not very user friendly. I don't get how u are suppose to use it?
Why don't u just make it more easy to use?

like add these filetypes if u want to ignore them

exe flv mp4 jpg

Why need to do
.+?\.exe etc..
It's very confusing what we need to do.
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Old 14.06.2010, 16:03
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Please, use a web search engine in order to find pages that will teach you about regular expressions. You won't regret it.
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Old 14.06.2010, 16:11
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Regexes ftw.!

GreeZ \\((psp(zockerscene)?)\\):w00t:
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Old 14.06.2010, 16:22
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Please, use a web search engine in order to find pages that will teach you about regular expressions. You won't regret it.
Like I said the current system to filter files is not very easy to use.

I am not a programmer, I don't really get how u use it as I am sure many ppl who use this program are in the same position.

It is more easier to just say...

Exclude these files >>>

jpg exe html

need to use regex is not very noob or even general computer users friendly.
Not to mention there is no documentation or tutorial on how to use it that explains in the examples by jdownloader. Your just assuming we are programmers and know what is regex is etc.. Most of the users aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
**External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff**

I found these links and even they aren't easy to follow.

It's not very user friendly which is my point.

Your making assumptions that most ppl know how to use this regex..

It is more easier if u just made it like I suggested.

Exclude these files >>>

jpg exe html

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Old 14.06.2010, 16:25
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As far as i can remember you're the first one who complains about the regular expressions to ignore links/types.
Whatever, the Bugtracker ticket is made and developers will see it

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Old 14.06.2010, 16:37
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As far as i can remember you're the first one who complains about the regular expressions to ignore links/types.
Whatever, the Bugtracker ticket is made and developers will see it

GreeZ pspzockerscene
Yeah i am not complaining, I am just saying I don't get how you suppose to use.
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Old 21.06.2010, 12:14
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I know what a regular expression is, though I'm not a guru.
But it would be a lot easier for me to list a regex of the files I want INcluded than EXcluded, since actually there are only about 4 filetypes I ever download.

Anyway, rather than deal with this grabbing every single link I put on the clipbard I disable this feature and only paste links in explicitly.
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Old 21.06.2010, 18:00
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I know what a regular expression is, though I'm not a guru.
But it would be a lot easier for me to list a regex of the files I want INcluded than EXcluded, since actually there are only about 4 filetypes I ever download.

Anyway, rather than deal with this grabbing every single link I put on the clipbard I disable this feature and only paste links in explicitly.
Yes your idea of included files is a good idea.

Though is it practical?

Cos JD devs want JD to be more than just a sharing host manager..
so they are just gonna need to add every single file type in there.

It's easier have a catch all, then you exclude what you don't want.

But the regex is not easy for most ppl to use.

I prefer it if we just type the file extensions, that's all.

JPG HTML FLV etc..

More easier for most ppl.

But the best option is to have a wizard that ask you

Do u want it be your only download manager ie catch all filetype.

If no, then ask which file type you want to catch?

Display a check box for each category e.g

Archive - e.g. rar, zip, 7z etc
Movies - flv, mp4 etc..
Music - mp3 etc

Then base on the wizard, it will add the proper regex statement to the exclude list or checkbox.

I prefer if the devs took away the regex thing or have a simple and advance option (regex) for more knowledgeable ppl.

Yes it is powerful, but most of the ppl are not familiar with it.
It's too complicated for most ppl and we shouldn't be force to google to learn how to use.

A program should in itself be self explanatory and easy to use, without needing to go outside to a search engine to learn how to use it esp if that program has a very simple purpose/task to do, ie downloading sharing sites.

If the program was more complex then it's a different story ie autocad etc..

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Old 22.06.2010, 05:14
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Yes your idea of included files is a good idea.

Though is it practical?

Cos JD devs want JD to be more than just a sharing host manager..
so they are just gonna need to add every single file type in there.
If you want everything, your regex is something like
*\.*
No problem.

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It's easier have a catch all, then you exclude what you don't want.
I disagree.

Because you can never know what weird filetype extension someone will come up with, and because you haven't excluded it, JD would then grab the link.

Here for instance is a (probably incomplete) list of file extensions starting with "a":

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.a - UNIX static library file / ADA source code file.
.ac - ACwin project file / GNU Autoconf configuration script / AC3D geometry file / Acceleration record file.
.acc - GEM desk accessories file.
.accdb - Microsoft Access 2007 database file.
.ace - ACE Archiver compression file.
.act - Action diagram (FoxPro) / Action File (Animation Master).
.acv - Adobe Photoshop compensation curve file.
.ade - Microsoft Access project extension.
.adp - Microsoft Access project file / Dynamic web page.
.adm - Addict Dictionary file / Group Policy Administrative Template file.
.afw - Bullion firmware file.
.agd - Agile Advantage file / AgileGraph data file.
.ai - PostScript viewer / Acrobat Illustrator vector graphics file / AIwin project file.
.aid - MapXtreme generated file.
.aif - Audio Interchange File.
.aifc - Compressed audio file.
.aiff - Audio Interchange File.
.ald - Axapta Label Data file.
.alg - ESRI Mapper File / HDLmaker file.
.als - Part of the Delphi help file system.
.amm - Adaptive Message Macro file.
.amp - Arbitrary Map file.
.amv - Audio-Video media file.
.ani - Animated cursor file.
.aod - Microsoft Dynamics AX Application Object Data file.
.apn - ApneaGraph data file / Wallpaper graphics file / REC Navigation application.
.app - VoxPro file / GEM file.
.application - ClickOnce application manifest file.
.aps - Binary file.
.arc - Compressed file.
.arj - Compressed file.
.as - Flash ActionScript file.
.asc - ASCII text file.
.ascx - Visual Studio custom user control source file.
.asf - Media player audio-visual file.
.asm - Assembler file / Solid Edge assembly file / Pro ENGINEER assembly file.
.asp - Active Server page.
.aspx - ASP.NET file.
.aspx.cs - Visual C# source file.
.aspx.resx .Net resource file.
.aspx.vb - VB.Net source file.
.atf - Adobe Transfer Functions file / Axon Text File.
.att - Email attachment.
.atx - Texture plugin (Animation Master)
.aty - 3D Topicscape association type file.
.au - µ-law sound file.
.aux - Auxiliary target file / Erdas Hierarchical File / LaTeX auxiliary reference file / ChiWriter auxiliary dictionary.
.av2 - Avatar2 model file (Animation Master)
.ava - Avatar model file (Animation Master)
.avi - Audio video file.
.awk - AWK script file.
.axe - AutoRoute map export file.


Basically, if I don't know what a filetype is, I am certainly not going to want to download it.

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Yes it is powerful, but most of the ppl are not familiar with it.
It's too complicated for most ppl and we shouldn't be force to google to learn how to use.

A program should in itself be self explanatory and easy to use, without needing to go outside to a search engine to learn how to use it esp if that program has a very simple purpose/task to do, ie downloading sharing sites.
Problem is like most freeware, the documentation and online help for many features is very poor, out of date, or non-existent.

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Old 22.06.2010, 13:40
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Problem is like most freeware, the documentation and online help for many features is very poor, out of date, or non-existent.
I think almost every aspect of jD has been documented (except the decrypters, but they're a secret now).

The board's search engine is very weak as most popular search engines are. I think a semantic web approach would be a better tool to find the relevant information in a language independent way.
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Old 22.06.2010, 15:15
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I think almost every aspect of jD has been documented (except the decrypters, but they're a secret now).

The board's search engine is very weak as most popular search engines are. I think a semantic web approach would be a better tool to find the relevant information in a language independent way.
I meant by online help in the application, or the wiki.
Both are full of stubs and outdated information.

Right-Click on most things in JD and it tells you nothing (maybe echoes the name of the button you selected) or takes you to an empty page in the wiki:
e.g. Settings/Link filter: that links to http://wiki.jdownloader.org/quickhelp/Link-filter -- which is empty.

Everything might be in some post in the forum, the problem is finding it. Might as well not exist if you can't when you need it. Anyway, old posts referring to old versions and bugs aren't helpful when you want to know something about the current version. Any search will be full of irrelevant, and/or wrong, comments, and that will only get worse as the total number of posts grow.

A forum is good for discussion, very poor as a reference.

I've said it before: a wiki is a great structure for organising information, that allows users to contribute. But users are locked out and the developers don't seem to bother ever to update it. You'd think that providing a paragraph of description in the relevant wiki article would be a part of the process when any code is added or updated. But best you can hope for is a cryptic mention in the "What's new" list, good luck making sense of that if you can even find it.

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Old 23.06.2010, 02:29
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yes follow other popular programs like mythtv, xbox media center.

Make the wiki, and make it is easy to find.
put a link to it in the program > help > wiki

also make a link

wiki.jdownloader.org etc.

User contribution means less work for devs.

MERGED

yeah make the wiki easier to find.
put a link in the program

user contribution is the way to go.
less work for devs.

EDIT by Think3r: Don't post several times, your post was just locked by the anti spam bot (as you can read in the rules)!

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Old 23.06.2010, 05:30
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yeah make the wiki easier to find.
put a link in the program
There ARE links in the program. But they almost all go to empty pages, since the people authorised to do so don't bother to update the wiki and won't let anyone else do it either.
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Old 23.06.2010, 08:09
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We are currently writing tutorials on the Forum, intending to move a lot of it to the Wiki after the new release.

Gweilo,
You are right about access to the wiki. I think several of the staff will be changing that after the new release. We don't want to bother the managers at this time.
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Old 28.06.2010, 03:28
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Default Bugtracker means general discussion goes elsewhere

Once a bug ticket has been issued for a thread, only substantive comments (of interest to the developer) should be added.

Philosophical discussions should not be added. They should appear in General Discussion.
Most of the philosophical discussion was moved to http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=18347

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