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Old 08.06.2010, 03:50
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Cool Ignore certain file types

I would like an option to uncheck or ignore certain file types like youtube, mp4 etc clips.

The clipboard keeps capturing those links and prompting me to download.

Like say a settings section where

you can check/uncheck
-videos
-music
-Docs - html, etc..
-pictures

etc..

Since the main function of this app is to get rars files etc..from rapidshare etc..

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Old 08.06.2010, 08:09
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Do you know that there is a link filter in the Settings - User Interface - LinkGrabber?
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Old 08.06.2010, 08:23
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yeah i just found, but it is better if they made a checkbox, more easier and intuitive for alot of people.

I only just found it existed just now.

If you make as a checkbox section like the hosting section, it would be better.

Plus it is easier to check off stuff, than to type every single file.
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Old 08.06.2010, 15:20
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You can simple deactivate the YouTube plugin in the host-settings?
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Old 09.06.2010, 04:17
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yes, but it is picking up .mp4, html, jpgs etc from a lot of other host and sites when i am browsing... also i don't think there is a youtube host plugin.

It picks it up if you click copy link etc..

Then for something flv it will prompt for a filetype to save as or something like.

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plus the ignore links part where u need to write every single file is not easy to find and not very intuitive for a lot of people.

I didn't even see that till now.

Make a ignore file type tab etc is more intuitive and would make the program more easier for a lot of people
vs the current version where we need to type in some stuff to ignore it.

Checkbox off filetypes you don't want downloaded I think is a good idea and more user friendly.
And by default you should make it ignore the filetypes I mentioned below, since most are just downloading rar files who are using this program.

Or make it default ignore mp4, html, youtube, jpg etcs.
if we wanted to catch mp4, html, youtube, there is already our own download managers and firefox addons which does it.

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Old 11.06.2010, 15:34
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There's a jD Youtube decrypter, not a jD host plug-in.

Making programs more easy to use is an art and not a science. However, there are rules and conventions about usability that should be followed. Drbits wrote some posts about the subject, but I'm not sure these will be implemented soon.

Let's first implement the standards and then see whether your requirements have been met.
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Old 13.06.2010, 04:06
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There's a jD Youtube decrypter, not a jD host plug-in.

Making programs more easy to use is an art and not a science. However, there are rules and conventions about usability that should be followed. Drbits wrote some posts about the subject, but I'm not sure these will be implemented soon.

Let's first implement the standards and then see whether your requirements have been met.
In terms of ease of use, the current system for excluding filetypes is not very user friendly. It isn't even easy to find or standout. It isn't easy to exclude files as well.

Whether u implement a checkbox feature to exclude filetypes will depend on your priority. It will definitely make it more user friendly.

If you can't do this, then you should stop catch links with mp4, jpgs, html, .exe, youtube flv etc.. We mainly use jdownloader to download rar files in a package from sharing sites.

Most people already got download managers to catch other file types, and even firefox has the downthemall and flashgot plugins, and video downloader if we want to catch those other filetypes mention.

Jdownloader should stick to what it's main purpose is, which is to download files of sharing sites which mainly consist of RAR files, and rar multiple files, and maybe zip files.

If jdownloader wants to also be a download manager and not just a sharing host download manager, then u should allow people to choose what files they want catching.

It should not catch video files and ask you what format you want to download it as (biggest annoyance), and also not catch jpgs, html, .exe etc (second annoyance - need to delete those files from link list afterwards).. or give ppl the option to easily disable those files.

Btw I think you guys are doing good job with this app, and for the most part it does what it was meant to, but i think it should stick to it's main purpose as a sharing host download manager (since this is what ppl mainly use it for) and not as a general download manager or give ppl the option to disable this, if they already got a general download manager.

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and also not catch jpgs, html, .exe etc (second annoyance - need to delete those files from link list afterwards).. or give ppl the option to easily disable those files.
Deactivate the http-links plugin

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Old 13.06.2010, 13:55
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Deactivate the http-links plugin

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I don't think it would work great if i did that..

cos don't u need to copy http links from websites which contain the rar files?

Aren't they in

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Old 13.06.2010, 13:59
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Deactivate the http-links plugin

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How?

Also don't

websites that list links

url: http//www.megaup***.com/??[/url]

don't they need http?

Also why make it more difficult for most users.

It should by default not catch video, html, jpg etcs..

We copy those links to put into the browser to load a new tab or so it will go to the general download manager, not meant for jdownloader.
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Old 13.06.2010, 14:17
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Some people only use one download manager and it's nice that jD can download http links as well.

The http links can be disabled in Settings -> Plugins & Addons -> Host.

HTTP and FTP are the protocols supported by jD.

The name "http links" is indeed confusing, but what do you suggest?

I believe most downloads are video or audio. Why shouldn't jD download these?

Can you please explain or rephrase your last sentence, because I don't understand it?
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MAN why don't you just TRY it.
I'm a supporter so i know what i am talking about.
The http-links plugin is for links that are NOT handled by the hoster plugins so disabling it will solve your problem.

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Old 14.06.2010, 05:59
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MAN why don't you just TRY it.
I'm a supporter so i know what i am talking about.
The http-links plugin is for links that are NOT handled by the hoster plugins so disabling it will solve your problem.

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Well i was making a suggestion to make the program more user friendly.

If they want to implement it or not is up them.
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Old 14.06.2010, 06:07
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Some people only use one download manager and it's nice that jD can download http links as well.

The http links can be disabled in Settings -> Plugins & Addons -> Host.

HTTP and FTP are the protocols supported by jD.

The name "http links" is indeed confusing, but what do you suggest?

I believe most downloads are video or audio. Why shouldn't jD download these?

Can you please explain or rephrase your last sentence, because I don't understand it?
This jdownloader primary mission/purpose.

JDownloader is open source, platform independent and written completely in Java. It simplifies downloading files from One-Click-Hosters like Rapidshare.com or Megaupload.com - not only for users with a premium account but also for users who don't pay. It offers downloading in multiple paralell streams, captcha recognition, automatical file extraction and much more. Of course, JDownloader is absolutely free of charge. Additionally, many "link encryption" sites are supported - so you just paste the "encrypted" links and JD does the rest. JDownloader can import CCF, RSDF and the new DLC files.

Most people who use this are using it for that purpose. ie sharing host download manager not as an all purpose download manager.

We can get other download managers that are free if we wanted to download those other files.

Also they work more better than jdownloader.

E.g. Youtube movies would get downloaded immediately as flv instead of getting a prompt for what filetype it should save as...

Also most ppl got a large list of packages of files (rar, zip) etc of files we want, we don't want jpg, html, videos files added to the long list.

I am just making a suggestion to improve the program, no need to get defensive.
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Old 14.06.2010, 13:39
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Thanks for your explanation.

I'm using other download engines (Azureus, FDM, etc.) as well, because jD isn't perfect for all types of downloads and the functional needs that I have. Overall, jD is the best download tool I know.

Some people use their browser for all their downloads. They're happy with that.

It's true that jD is specialised in decrypting links and downloading from hosts like RS, MF, MU and HF.

Where I don't agree with you is that it should be limited to that (very important) niche. Many customers have asked more functionality. When I'm only running jD, I don't start FDM or my browser to download a simple http link. I could have another reason not to use my browser to download a simple http link or jpg image :- the download directory. In jD I can setup multiple download folders.

If you don't want to download simple http links, please disable that function in the Hosts settings page and your issue is solved.

The youtube format setting issue is known and will be changed as soon as there is a volunteer to implement it.
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Old 14.06.2010, 14:28
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Thanks for your explanation.

I'm using other download engines (Azureus, FDM, etc.) as well, because jD isn't perfect for all types of downloads and the functional needs that I have. Overall, jD is the best download tool I know.

Some people use their browser for all their downloads. They're happy with that.

It's true that jD is specialised in decrypting links and downloading from hosts like RS, MF, MU and HF.

Where I don't agree with you is that it should be limited to that (very important) niche. Many customers have asked more functionality. When I'm only running jD, I don't start FDM or my browser to download a simple http link. I could have another reason not to use my browser to download a simple http link or jpg image :- the download directory. In jD I can setup multiple download folders.

If you don't want to download simple http links, please disable that function in the Hosts settings page and your issue is solved.

The youtube format setting issue is known and will be changed as soon as there is a volunteer to implement it.
The way I have my system setup is i got my standard download manager which catches all filetypes in the browser.
It stores all the files I have ever downloaded. That general download manager stays in the tray permanently.

When I want to start downloading from hosting sites, I would start jdownloader usually at night for off peak hours.

Why do I do this?
1. It keeps the hosting packages nice and clean for that purpose and all the other download links in the general manager.

2. Jdownloader is a great memory hog. It uses alot of memory, the more packages you got setup to download. So I don't keep jdownload in the tray permanently.

3. I don't need to clear out my old history from the general manager. Cos those files are separate to my hosting packages. Also who wants to keep a large history of frivolous downloads in jdownloader which would clogg up the download packages links.

If you want to make it so jdownloader is also a general download manager as well (which strays from it's primary mission) then go ahead. But you should let us choose if we need it to be or not.

This constant catching off frivolous links is an annoyance and waste time both from the constant prompts of what video format to save as, as well as the need to remove the frivolous links.

Also it's is not easy to stop this, unless we made a thread and u told us to disable http links. Ie it is not clearly pointed out.

Also I think it still catches some links, though I haven't tested it fully yet.

My point/suggest is to make it more user friendly so we got a choice if we want to catch those type of links or not.

That's all I am suggesting to the developers.

BTW can u tell who are the actual devs here? Are u one or just someone that answers the forums?
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Old 14.06.2010, 14:37
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JD actually also got many decrypters and some of them decrypt http links (links that aren't handled by a host plugin).
The ability to use jd to download normal http links is a VERY nice feature and it is indeed used by many users
...and because you can turn it off it won't annoy you at any time

Bugtracker ticket for the youtube configuration!

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Old 14.06.2010, 14:51
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JD actually also got many decrypters and some of them decrypt http links (links that aren't handled by a host plugin).
The ability to use jd to download normal http links is a VERY nice feature and it is indeed used by many users
...and because you can turn it off it won't annoy you at any time

Bugtracker ticket for the youtube configuration!

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Well i will give the http suggestion a go and report back if it still catches any links. But I think this suggestion i made is a good idea for improvement to the program. Nobody knows turning off http links can disable the catching of unwanted links, until u make a thread here. It's not user friendly vs my suggestion of a checkbox to disable files types u don't want.

Well I made my suggestions and stated my reasons why I think it is good idea. Whether the devs consider it will be depend on their priority.

Btw can u tell me who are the actual devs here?
And also do u guys have any input on the features included?

Also I am making suggestions to improve the program, based on my experiences and what I see are it's flaws.

I don't understand why u guys are so opposed to it when it this feature would make it more user friendly?
Do u do the actual coding or something? It's understandable that more coding would be required and if u do coding then more work. So from that point, I can see why u would want to oppose this.

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I am just a little developer so ican't decline suggestions (only if they make no sense at all) but i can decide to put suggestions in the bugtracker or not to put em in there.

The actual developers are the members with the yellow and red names.

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Old 14.06.2010, 15:13
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I am just a little developer so ican't decline suggestions (only if they make no sense at all) but i can decide to put suggestions in the bugtracker or not to put em in there.

The actual developers are the members with the yellow and red names.

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So only u can decide which features gets put in the bugtracker?

Btw to not put a suggestion in the bugtracker is the same thing as declining a suggestion (which u say u can't do). So your statement is kind of like a paradox.
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No not putting it in there isn't declining it.
Here in the forum i have the threadprefix "unresolvable" which means in this case "declined" but i can't just decline features.

Well but on the other side you're right, features can also be declined in the Bugtracker so i'll put yours in.

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You mentioned that jD is a memory hog. I don't see why unless you're using a 64 bits version of the JRE. My copy of jD is currently running in 14 MB of RAM.

A history feature for jD is planned. Feature #176: DownloadHistory.

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I don't understand why u guys are so opposed to it when it this feature would make it more user friendly?
I don't see how this can be solved with check boxes. Do you know how many file types there are?
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No not putting it in there isn't declining it.
Here in the forum i have the threadprefix "unresolvable" which means in this case "declined" but i can't just decline features.

Well but on the other side you're right, features can also be declined in the Bugtracker so i'll put yours in.

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Thanks for adding it. Though your less than stella lack of endorsment doesn't make it sound too great.

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I need to ask with the current link filter

#Ignorefiletype 'olo':

.+?\.olo

#Ignore hoster 'examplehost.com':

.*?examplehost\.com.*?

How do you suppose to use it? There's no documentation.

do u do
.+?\.exe if u want to ignore exe.

It's not very user friendly. I don't get how u are suppose to use it?
Why don't u just make it more easy to use?

like add these filetypes if u want to ignore them

exe flv mp4 jpg

Why need to do
.+?\.exe etc..
It's very confusing what we need to do.
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Regex is a great way to ignore hosts in this case because they're easy to use and you don't have to make thousands of checkboxes.
Just play a little bit with them and if it doesn't work i can help you

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Regular expressions are very flexible and powerful. I use them all the time to conduct searches on my disks or in text files.
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Regex is a great way to ignore hosts in this case because they're easy to use and you don't have to make thousands of checkboxes.
Just play a little bit with them and if it doesn't work i can help you

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I need to ask with the current link filter

#Ignorefiletype 'olo':

.+?\.olo

#Ignore hoster 'examplehost.com':

.*?examplehost\.com.*?

How do you suppose to use it? There's no documentation.

do u do
.+?\.exe if u want to ignore exe.

It's not very user friendly. I don't get how u are suppose to use it?
Why don't u just make it more easy to use?

like add these filetypes if u want to ignore them

exe flv mp4 jpg

Why need to do
.+?\.exe etc..
It's very confusing what we need to do.
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Please, use a web search engine in order to find pages that will teach you about regular expressions. You won't regret it.
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Regexes ftw.!

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Please, use a web search engine in order to find pages that will teach you about regular expressions. You won't regret it.
Like I said the current system to filter files is not very easy to use.

I am not a programmer, I don't really get how u use it as I am sure many ppl who use this program are in the same position.

It is more easier to just say...

Exclude these files >>>

jpg exe html

need to use regex is not very noob or even general computer users friendly.
Not to mention there is no documentation or tutorial on how to use it that explains in the examples by jdownloader. Your just assuming we are programmers and know what is regex is etc.. Most of the users aren't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
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I found these links and even they aren't easy to follow.

It's not very user friendly which is my point.

Your making assumptions that most ppl know how to use this regex..

It is more easier if u just made it like I suggested.

Exclude these files >>>

jpg exe html

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As far as i can remember you're the first one who complains about the regular expressions to ignore links/types.
Whatever, the Bugtracker ticket is made and developers will see it

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As far as i can remember you're the first one who complains about the regular expressions to ignore links/types.
Whatever, the Bugtracker ticket is made and developers will see it

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Yeah i am not complaining, I am just saying I don't get how you suppose to use.
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I know what a regular expression is, though I'm not a guru.
But it would be a lot easier for me to list a regex of the files I want INcluded than EXcluded, since actually there are only about 4 filetypes I ever download.

Anyway, rather than deal with this grabbing every single link I put on the clipbard I disable this feature and only paste links in explicitly.
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I know what a regular expression is, though I'm not a guru.
But it would be a lot easier for me to list a regex of the files I want INcluded than EXcluded, since actually there are only about 4 filetypes I ever download.

Anyway, rather than deal with this grabbing every single link I put on the clipbard I disable this feature and only paste links in explicitly.
Yes your idea of included files is a good idea.

Though is it practical?

Cos JD devs want JD to be more than just a sharing host manager..
so they are just gonna need to add every single file type in there.

It's easier have a catch all, then you exclude what you don't want.

But the regex is not easy for most ppl to use.

I prefer it if we just type the file extensions, that's all.

JPG HTML FLV etc..

More easier for most ppl.

But the best option is to have a wizard that ask you

Do u want it be your only download manager ie catch all filetype.

If no, then ask which file type you want to catch?

Display a check box for each category e.g

Archive - e.g. rar, zip, 7z etc
Movies - flv, mp4 etc..
Music - mp3 etc

Then base on the wizard, it will add the proper regex statement to the exclude list or checkbox.

I prefer if the devs took away the regex thing or have a simple and advance option (regex) for more knowledgeable ppl.

Yes it is powerful, but most of the ppl are not familiar with it.
It's too complicated for most ppl and we shouldn't be force to google to learn how to use.

A program should in itself be self explanatory and easy to use, without needing to go outside to a search engine to learn how to use it esp if that program has a very simple purpose/task to do, ie downloading sharing sites.

If the program was more complex then it's a different story ie autocad etc..

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Yes your idea of included files is a good idea.

Though is it practical?

Cos JD devs want JD to be more than just a sharing host manager..
so they are just gonna need to add every single file type in there.
If you want everything, your regex is something like
*\.*
No problem.

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It's easier have a catch all, then you exclude what you don't want.
I disagree.

Because you can never know what weird filetype extension someone will come up with, and because you haven't excluded it, JD would then grab the link.

Here for instance is a (probably incomplete) list of file extensions starting with "a":

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.a - UNIX static library file / ADA source code file.
.ac - ACwin project file / GNU Autoconf configuration script / AC3D geometry file / Acceleration record file.
.acc - GEM desk accessories file.
.accdb - Microsoft Access 2007 database file.
.ace - ACE Archiver compression file.
.act - Action diagram (FoxPro) / Action File (Animation Master).
.acv - Adobe Photoshop compensation curve file.
.ade - Microsoft Access project extension.
.adp - Microsoft Access project file / Dynamic web page.
.adm - Addict Dictionary file / Group Policy Administrative Template file.
.afw - Bullion firmware file.
.agd - Agile Advantage file / AgileGraph data file.
.ai - PostScript viewer / Acrobat Illustrator vector graphics file / AIwin project file.
.aid - MapXtreme generated file.
.aif - Audio Interchange File.
.aifc - Compressed audio file.
.aiff - Audio Interchange File.
.ald - Axapta Label Data file.
.alg - ESRI Mapper File / HDLmaker file.
.als - Part of the Delphi help file system.
.amm - Adaptive Message Macro file.
.amp - Arbitrary Map file.
.amv - Audio-Video media file.
.ani - Animated cursor file.
.aod - Microsoft Dynamics AX Application Object Data file.
.apn - ApneaGraph data file / Wallpaper graphics file / REC Navigation application.
.app - VoxPro file / GEM file.
.application - ClickOnce application manifest file.
.aps - Binary file.
.arc - Compressed file.
.arj - Compressed file.
.as - Flash ActionScript file.
.asc - ASCII text file.
.ascx - Visual Studio custom user control source file.
.asf - Media player audio-visual file.
.asm - Assembler file / Solid Edge assembly file / Pro ENGINEER assembly file.
.asp - Active Server page.
.aspx - ASP.NET file.
.aspx.cs - Visual C# source file.
.aspx.resx .Net resource file.
.aspx.vb - VB.Net source file.
.atf - Adobe Transfer Functions file / Axon Text File.
.att - Email attachment.
.atx - Texture plugin (Animation Master)
.aty - 3D Topicscape association type file.
.au - µ-law sound file.
.aux - Auxiliary target file / Erdas Hierarchical File / LaTeX auxiliary reference file / ChiWriter auxiliary dictionary.
.av2 - Avatar2 model file (Animation Master)
.ava - Avatar model file (Animation Master)
.avi - Audio video file.
.awk - AWK script file.
.axe - AutoRoute map export file.


Basically, if I don't know what a filetype is, I am certainly not going to want to download it.

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Yes it is powerful, but most of the ppl are not familiar with it.
It's too complicated for most ppl and we shouldn't be force to google to learn how to use.

A program should in itself be self explanatory and easy to use, without needing to go outside to a search engine to learn how to use it esp if that program has a very simple purpose/task to do, ie downloading sharing sites.
Problem is like most freeware, the documentation and online help for many features is very poor, out of date, or non-existent.

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Problem is like most freeware, the documentation and online help for many features is very poor, out of date, or non-existent.
I think almost every aspect of jD has been documented (except the decrypters, but they're a secret now).

The board's search engine is very weak as most popular search engines are. I think a semantic web approach would be a better tool to find the relevant information in a language independent way.
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I think almost every aspect of jD has been documented (except the decrypters, but they're a secret now).

The board's search engine is very weak as most popular search engines are. I think a semantic web approach would be a better tool to find the relevant information in a language independent way.
I meant by online help in the application, or the wiki.
Both are full of stubs and outdated information.

Right-Click on most things in JD and it tells you nothing (maybe echoes the name of the button you selected) or takes you to an empty page in the wiki:
e.g. Settings/Link filter: that links to http://wiki.jdownloader.org/quickhelp/Link-filter -- which is empty.

Everything might be in some post in the forum, the problem is finding it. Might as well not exist if you can't when you need it. Anyway, old posts referring to old versions and bugs aren't helpful when you want to know something about the current version. Any search will be full of irrelevant, and/or wrong, comments, and that will only get worse as the total number of posts grow.

A forum is good for discussion, very poor as a reference.

I've said it before: a wiki is a great structure for organising information, that allows users to contribute. But users are locked out and the developers don't seem to bother ever to update it. You'd think that providing a paragraph of description in the relevant wiki article would be a part of the process when any code is added or updated. But best you can hope for is a cryptic mention in the "What's new" list, good luck making sense of that if you can even find it.

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yes follow other popular programs like mythtv, xbox media center.

Make the wiki, and make it is easy to find.
put a link to it in the program > help > wiki

also make a link

wiki.jdownloader.org etc.

User contribution means less work for devs.

MERGED

yeah make the wiki easier to find.
put a link in the program

user contribution is the way to go.
less work for devs.

EDIT by Think3r: Don't post several times, your post was just locked by the anti spam bot (as you can read in the rules)!

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yeah make the wiki easier to find.
put a link in the program
There ARE links in the program. But they almost all go to empty pages, since the people authorised to do so don't bother to update the wiki and won't let anyone else do it either.
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We are currently writing tutorials on the Forum, intending to move a lot of it to the Wiki after the new release.

Gweilo,
You are right about access to the wiki. I think several of the staff will be changing that after the new release. We don't want to bother the managers at this time.
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Default Bugtracker means general discussion goes elsewhere

Once a bug ticket has been issued for a thread, only substantive comments (of interest to the developer) should be added.

Philosophical discussions should not be added. They should appear in General Discussion.
Most of the philosophical discussion was moved to http://board.jdownloader.org/showthread.php?t=18347

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