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@borochris: There has been no changes about this.
@daffdaemon: Google uses many many many factors/data/information/token/environment.... and we're pretty sure they can *detect* the extension somehow. Please provide logs about the looping issue
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I'm using the latest build of JD2, there was a Java update some time in the past couple weeks, and seems to have fixed all issues I was beginning to have with captcha everywhere (in other words not just with logins on JD2). it was becoming completely unbearable; want to login? captcha!! want to reset your password? captcha!! want to access a site through Tor? captcha!! want to...captcha!! CAPTCHA!!! CAPTCHA!!! CAPTCHA!!!
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@lee_mofokeng: Thanks for the feedback but there has been no changes regarding Recaptcha/Browser extension and Java has nothing to do with Recaptcha at all. So it's just a coincidence
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wow I guess I was just lucky then. like I said I've had zero issues with the original problem that brought me to this forum (ibuqfile unable to resolve captcha due to infinite loop) since the java update. if it is a coincidence then that's one hell of a coincidence.
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The open JD extension in browser incognito seems to work Ok as a workaround
but for some reason , it often refuses the first (correct) attempt as "please try again" but works on the second usually. |
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How can work the captcha plugin, how can download and install?
It seems installed in browser , but cannot browse jdownloader , it says install the extension. It worked before update about three months ago. Where can I found rechaptha (display) plugin/extension? Chrome browser was updated and this is the problem ? I cant find the real plugin to install in chrome . Where can I found in chrome store or on jDownloader page ? |
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Still using the incognito workaround which just about still works but is getting much harder,
at least for Turbobit for example - nearly a dozen attempts before I get the tick - then after all that , the bastards will say "IP limit reached or already loading" |
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Trying everything to get Recaptcha working here... Windows 10 x84.
I edited JD2 Advanced Settings, so starting a download link in JD2 will open Chrome incognito. However, the captcha page never loads no matter which hoster I'm addressing. For example with OBoom the URL that Chrome tries to load is **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** But I soon get the error message "This site can’t be reached 127.0.0.1 took too long to respond.". My Avast antivirus is disabled, and the browser works fine for other sites. My 'hosts' file has no active entries (only # comments). I must be missing something simple because nobody else is reporting this and it almost works... EDIT: and ACTUALLY I don't even need Recaptcha to work automatically. But even manually I still get the timeout so can't ever get to the captcha to solve it that way. So I got started down this rabbit hole... EDIT: I did get it to work once, manually. Part of my problem was that starting Chrome "incognito" makes it disable the MyJDownloader extension - which is apparently what allows the captcha to appear. If I can't get on this way I'll start a new thread. Last edited by Arbie; 30.11.2018 at 05:06. |
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Over the last month or so, many of problems with recaptcha seem to smoothed out considerably.
Number of false fails is down. Usually takes only one try, sometimes two, to get passed. Looping issue when using JD seems to be gone entirely. @Jiaz: Last time I posted re: looping issue, you requested log. I never did get around to sending. Sorry about that. Maybe moot now. Just curious, was there a change made to JD to solve looping? Anyone else noticing improvement? Last edited by daffdaemon; 26.12.2018 at 18:54. |
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I'm still using the incognito browser window method with JD. I'm reluctant to tamper with that. Seems overall most have been solveable though not as smooth as before the main problem started. Still get some incorrect " try again" messages when I have definitley solved the captcha, Not used captcha much on other sites as yet so can't test if that is still usable.
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Its down to the Websites and Google.
OK, here is my analysis of this issue.
Summary: It is down to the individual users (website owners) of Google's reCaptcha v3. From my observations, I suspect that the individual website owners, that use reCaptcha, can set/request different levels of complexity from Google. I have come to this determination, in the most part, due to two specific websites. One is Rapidgator. Now that reCaptcha has "settled down" a little, following the transition to v3, I have noticed that even if a Captcha is answered correctly the first time it is completed, on the Rapidgator site, it invariably fails and you need to complete another Captcha. It is the same every time for me (using browser extension in Firefox). On another site that uses reCaptcha, I complained to the website owner over and over again, because for some reason the Captcha would fail, even if answered correctly, at least four times (sometimes more). This went on for several weeks. And then one day, suddenly, it was only necessary to complete the Captcha once. It has been that way ever since. So from what I can tell, by default, JDownloader handles reCaptcha v3 well. If you are suffering ongoing problems, I believe it is the website owners/support teams you need to contact. To convince them to "dial back" the complexity of the Captchas they use. I hope this helps. |
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Problem is they have no incentive to dial back their complexity. They want to piss you off so you by their premium services to avoid captchas.
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You are absolutely correct.
If the website owners/support team is not willing to make changes, all you can do is let them know that you will not buy premium while the issue exists. And that you will do all you can to ensure other people do the same. If they experience a drop in premium subscriptions, that may encourage them to make a change. |
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I read about new version working without any user interaction at all: reCAPTCHA v3 runs adaptive risk analysis in the background to alert you of suspicious traffic while letting your human users enjoy a frictionless experience on your site. Link Sounds like a dream Anybody knows when this is going to be implemented? Introduced on October 29, 2018. @gandalf_grey91: Yeah, they definitely want to piss you off. For me share-online is the worst. They even disable the 'audio challenge' feature for disabled people and that's not ok (would be a nice workaorund for us too, as there's an addon solving these automatically with speech-to-text recognition). For "regular" companies using recaptcha to login (DHL for example) it works in normal browsing mode with first loop or only checking the not a robot box. I mean, this is for recognizing bots with dozens or hundreds of requests per minute/hour or whatever. I'm far away from this when I want to download one f*ckin file every 3 hours... |
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Did any one else notice that Rapidgator's recaptchas suddenly became simpler (single pass, with the images rendering quickly), a couple of days ago?
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@gandalf: not only at rapidgator. for me the general user experience with recaptcha became much much better.
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In the last couple of days I started having a problem with ReCaptcha in the MyJDownloader Android app that I haven't had before. It's not the issue I see people elsewhere in this thread discussing. What's going on for me is that when the captcha is loading, the dialogue box with the three options "SWITCH MODE" / "CLEAR COOKIES" / and "SKIP" appears, but there is nothing in it other than those buttons, so I can't solve the captcha since I can't see it. Testing it just now, it happened with Uploaded.to.
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CAPTCHA general issues
If what server requires selecting which images, according to information, it unfortunately does not always work. It seems to me that I correctly mark the pictures (some are too simple) but I still have another CAPCHA and another, it's a waste of time to fill a lot of CAPCHA.
Please some information, where do I make a mistake in various pictures (lights, cars, buses, shop windows, etc.)? Example: **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** |
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this has been covered on the forum before, mostly caused by your activity and browser/system finger print. please check out the recaptcha thread on this issue.
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@Bosco Talwain
The captcha lives in a webview and there was an issue with resizing it correctly. Version 0.9.73 should fix it. If not, please submit a bug report at support.jdownloader.org
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I have some information on this subject, no specific information?
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Guys I have had the same problem, however I just downloaded 2 files back to back using JDownloader not the webpage and I know this was not the case last night because I was here read this thread. Hopefully some will have similar luck and this crisis will be over.
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Even i am facing this same issue.
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I am loosing the last bit of my patience with Google...
Hello, once again...
I'm writing another post in this thread just to register my renewed frustration with Google Recaptcha and also in the hopes that something (in the "near" future, perhaps) may be done in terms of a solution jDownload may find and implement (two separate and very hard things to do, I recognize). In the past weeks I have literally given up on doing anything at all that involves me solving a Recaptcha challenge. Unfortunately, the web has slowly become so nasty with "bad actors" that more and more sites are requiring me to complete a Recaptcha challenge, even for the most trivial things, like logging into a site, filling up a form, etc. Last year, I was hopeful that a "non-javascript" version of the captcha would become more "human" and less time-consuming (and more widely available), but that never came to fruition... See that post here: https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...&postcount=134 I don't know what I did wrong, or if it is just the fact that I am, indeed, filling up more captchas every single day, but it is becoming harder and (worst of all) more and more time-consuming: - many sequential screens to solve, - with many replacement images that seem to never stop, - with many selection tasks that sometimes requires more than 12 mouse clicks, - followed by many "try again" screens even when that coveted and supposed last "verify" screen comes out. (and in many cases the images are getting worse and worse quality, which makes it yet another degree of dificulty) I maintain, although some people have already refuted me, that Google will never fix this on their side because they're using us to train their AI engine (specially for self driving cars). This video "You've been training AI for free" ( youtu.be / 1-cZkc7gyfI ) by the site "The Verge" just came out, and I believe it's pretty good evidence. I have used most of the tools discussed in this thread and in the (surprisingly) very few resources available in this topic around the web. They used to work relatively well before (cleaning up web browser, private mode, etc), but now they are not helping. I realize that being logged in with own personal Google account on my main browser (firefox) does not help my case, but in this day and age I can not escape it... My reasons for this post, besides wanting to incentivize the conversation on this topic, is: (1) I wonder if everybody else is experiencing the same or is it just me? (2) Any of you guys "see a light at the end of this tunnel", be it in a technical solution or any other kind of development? |
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2.) You might wanna try out the Android MyJDownloader App where we've already implemented the *non js* variant of Recaptcha. You can *switch mode* the recaptcha mode. Might be worth a try. We're also working on some ideas for the Browser extension but can only hope that it might improve the situation but cannot guarantee/promise it. We don't know ourselves what Google does or when...sometimes it works perfectly fine for me on first/2nd try, sometimes it's mix of good/bad and some other days I only get *please train my AI till death* captcha loops
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Hello, Jiaz,
thank you so much for your quick response. I am always very happy to read your posts, you really seem to be a wonderful person. Thank you for tolerating our questions for so much time... Your time and dedication is very well appreciated. Quote:
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Its clear they have a legitimate problem in their hands (protection against automated machines on the web), but the way they go about solving it has became really suspicious (in my opinion). I understand the need for secrecy (to a point), but where does reCaptcha stop being a web tool and starts becoming an indispensable data mining/AI training tool in the service of a private company? How much abuse can they really force on us? I wonder if you have ever considered "fiddling" with the reCaptcha tool on jdownloader.org site itself, in order to fully understand exactly what options are available for site owners when you use the tool: - do you really have full control on how hard or how easy the puzzle will be for your users? - can you limit the number of screens? - can you limit the matrix of the image (3x3, 4x4, 5x5, etc)? ...and many more questions that seems to be NOT documented anywhere on the web. Quote:
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Site admin example (Advanced Settings): You can test it under 9kw.eu/captchademo/recaptcha_v2.html ("Easy", "Standard", "Hard", domain validation, invisible) Quote:
No. No. You can try your own recaptcha and google account. It's free. But google changes are always present and never documented.
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Thank you very much for your kind words!
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You're absolutely right, it is kind of a "race" and we're all being left behind in the dust. I really don't see how we can possibly shift the balance of power in this, specially because Google just don't care. In a way, it is like a few software developers that only cater to people with modern and powerful CPU/GPU machines. If you have to use the software with a "not so current hardware", it's practically mandatory that you will be angry every day. You pay the same as everybody else, but they just don't care about you (they actually prefer you didn't exist)... Let's just hope something drastic changes in this "race" in the next few years, in a way that they will be forced to invent a new product to deal with the "robots" and we'll possibly have a more humane challenge to deal with, specially because the last thing we need right now (and probably for the foreseeable future) is yet another reason the be angry on a daily basis... |
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Just for information, here is a link to a report on a study that suggests being logged into a Google makes it more likely you will pass a RECAPTCHA - and demotes those with privacy concerns or anti trackers - which is weird because earlier in this thread I seemed to find being logged in to Google was worst for me , and have been using the incognito browser option ever since - with variable results - it seems to also depend on which file host is priding the link.
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@Patr100
thats recaptchav3 which is still in early trails from google most sites are still using version 2
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as of today I am no longer able to use Waterfox 56.2.14 (64-bit) with Browser Extension 3.2.34 (6-09-2019)
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@James: as the message shows, the error is due to recaptcha and not browser extension.
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I'm not sure I follow Jiaz, if it was the recaptcha in general then surely it would fail in chrome too?
I don't have a problem with JD using chrome but I don't want it as a default browser, is there an option in JD to set which browser it can open for the recaptcha, if not would that be something that could appear in the future. |
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The message is clear?! Recaptcha shows *Please upgrade to a supported browser* .
Yes, you can change browser to use, see https://board.jdownloader.org/showpo...29&postcount=3
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@James: thanks for taking time to investigate and share your findings Glad you could solve this by yourself!
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The manual Recaptcha solving in the browser does not work for me. Specifically, if I ask JD 2 to download a URL like
**External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff** I'm sent to the browser, where the recaptcha frame will give the red message "ERROR for site owner: Invalid key type" (see attached screenshot). This happens on many sites, not just on mixdrop. I'm running Jdownloader 2 (Build date Dec 28) on Windows 7, Chrome 79.0.3945.88 (no adblocker), Jdownloader extension 3.2.33. |
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Another site with the same error message is vidup.io, e.g. **External links are only visible to Support Staff****External links are only visible to Support Staff**
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