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I think that's probably a good idea, Jiaz... As a long-time systems programmer, I don't normally find it difficult to work these things out. If I find those directions somewhat obscure, I'm pretty sure others will too. Thanks. [Comments on part 2 still to come...] |
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Thanks, Jiaz.... What you DIDN'T say was that these links/entries were still valid and that the files /videos would be downloadable anyway. This is 'Non-Obvious'... So, I guessed. I started the downloads despite the ominous 'UNKNOWN' file sizes and the bloody things seem to have worked. [It is 'ominous'' because it looks like an error and all the other VALID links to files had valid sizes. It's one way for me to determine whether the link is usable or points to some junk - as some do...On unsupported sites, I will often get a lot of small junk and one obvious large video file which I then download, deleting the 'junk' entries, ya see?]] BTW: 2 notes: I have located what is intended to be the 'SEARCH' on the Downloads page, thank you. As you know, it is right at the bottom of the screen with some tech stuff and very faintly labelled ' Please enter the filename you are looking for'. With respect to all, this - Location and function/desription are neither intuitive or obvious and I would not have found it without an intensive examination and you telling me that it was there. Logically, It should be an obvious Search button at the top right. As an uninvited general observation, I believe that Jdownloader 2 is a very powerful and immensely useful application with superb support. I also would suggest that its 'Human interface guidelines' could be greatly improved. [It feels like it's been designed and built/documented by UNIX/LINUX developers for UNIX/LINUX Users.n Rather than for humans... :] I think you could do with a USERS Manual with a whole lot of 'Where it is', 'How it all Works' and 'HOW TO'. As a second unsolicited observation based on my own experience, back when I was a Mac developer, I used a 6 Volume "Inside MacIntosh" set of books to figure out how to design and write for Macs. There were 2 entire, large, standalone volumes dedicated to rigorous and well-designed 'User Interface guidelines' which were more like rules or laws for developers than guidelines - basically how a Mac App should look, feel, behave etc... Not every developer liked this but it was Apple's way of ensuring that any Mac Apps were easy to use and their behaviour easy to understand and predict. It worked. And it taught me a lot of good things. :outch: MY SINCERE THANKS FOR A GREAT APPLICATION AND THE WONDERFUL SUPPORT. Last edited by VADAR; 27.05.2022 at 09:24. Reason: Thumbs... |
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Available or set filesize/name is no meaningfulness information for availability. Some hosts do not provide filesize until actual download is started. others don't provide a filename until actual download started. but in this case the Availability is checked You should check the Availability column for more reliable sources of information for this
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but you also have to remember that it's been this way for about 10 and more years and not everyone welcome changes to a tool that he/she got familiar with
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No offence, Jiaz but that's a Tech-head developer solution not a user-oriented solution. [And that is NOT an insult, Jiaz...] I'd just put a simple 'search' button at top right, simply labelled ['SEARCH FOR filename' not 'Filter by'] and let tech-head users have the setting to move or remove it if THEY really want to go to the trouble. In my experience, one designs the default interface elements and behaviour for new/inexperienced/average users and THEN permits the mad tech-heads to fiddle/change things to suit their preferences, not the other way around. I'd also make it a letter by letter progressive search so that as the filename is typed in the cursor jumps to f then fi then file etc. [for 'filename']. OTOH/better idea, you may instead wish to handle partial searches such as allowing 'MARIA' to find '1234 SUNDAY FUN WITH MARIA.MP4' and similar because I don't think anyone wants to type the full thing even if they know it, remember it and can input it accurately from memory - which is not most people in my humble experience. [And, Yeah, I know that's a filter but calling it that is not a great idea when most personal computer users are looking for 'Search' or 'Find'... like the one that's at the top of their browser and in most all of their Apps... they'll expect/hope that it behaves that way, too.] Anyway, that's MY 2c worth, FWIW... More responses soon... [Sorry, 2:45AM here ATM.] :biggrin: Last edited by VADAR; 27.05.2022 at 19:58. Reason: Dumbness. |
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by default it's a *simple search* , eg Quote:
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We can default this to true (top) for new/fresh installations but I don't wanna mess with existing installations
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I'm sorry but right now it is "Please enter the filename you are looking for...", yes we could add the *search* icon in front of it to make it more clear but I think the wording is good enough? Well it was good enough the last 10 years or longer
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To bed, you should go. Rest you should find
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It would be a good example of a thing that should be in a USERS GUIDE, don't you think? Perhaps also as a warning under 'file size'. I don't know what most of the icons and indicators in this excellent App DO or mean, sadly. I HAVE found some excellent stuff when I've just played with it but I'm quite sure I've missed a lot like this one. |
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Thank you my Jedi friend...
[But, Patience young Padawan, I'll get there soon...] Last edited by VADAR; 27.05.2022 at 20:37. Reason: typos. grrr.... |
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I don't know how the current search works because I didn't find it and haven't used it. I think regex pattern matching is a great idea but, how many non-*NIX heads remember, understand and use it or even know the setting exists? Obviously, I didn't and I'd need a regex man online to use the damn thing now. :confused: |
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When you wake up again why not simply try it? I don't see any need for changes at all. The current search works fine for beginner/normal user and with regex support, even power users/nerds can have fun with search
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I'm sorry but what for should the warning be? It highly depends on the content/site/plugin if a name / filesize / file availability status are available prior to actual download.
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Also, If that is true, there is never a good reason to change anything, anywhere, is there? It's what drives the 'conservative' agenda in most places, especially the Divided States of America, for example. :huh: Famously, a bloke at one company put a "ring me on [phone no.] for a 10,000 dollar prize, free if you read this line" at the bottom of the standard 'Terms and Conditions' statement used when installing the company's software package - just as with nearly every package, users were REQUIRED to hit an "I agree and have read the Conditions" button before installation. It reputedly went out to tens of thousands of users before ONE fella called to collect - no-one else had ever READ the stuff. So, how many users use that search? How many use the excellent, powerful, regex feature? What percentage would that be? PS: In any event, in my case it's not the wording, it's that I didn't see/find the search box... Now, I know. I now know about regex too because I've been personally told by a senior developer. Last edited by VADAR; 27.05.2022 at 20:34. Reason: edit |
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Probably almost precisely what you wrote in your two posts, IMO...
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@VADAR: I'm just saying that I don't remember anyone having such big problems with *finding* the search bar as it is now. The wording *Please enter the filename you are looking for..." is more than clear I think, but yes I will add the search icon. I will add optional setting to move it to top as well
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A tooltip maybe that indiciates the *safety* of a shown value, eg green = information provided by trustworthy api, yellow = uncertain source, grey = estimation...that could be possible and also the tooltop then contain additional explanation
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I don't agree with most of your GUI wording improvement suggestions but anyways - regarding unknown filesize:
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