[drbits]

Check out captchatrader.com. It is a combination MCS and pay per use.

Each reCaptcha you solve is worth 5 points.
Each time you get a valid solution, it costs 10 points.
Buying points is a little expensive at this site: $1us for 10 000 points (1000 reCaptchas), but there is a $5 processing fee.

We need to modify one of the scripts around here to use their API.

[pspzockerscene]

Btw. i collected (nearly) all those "Captcha solving services"
Here a little list, you have to compare the prices and make scripts:
decaptcher.com || Script for JD (CLICK)
captchabot.com
captchatrader.com
bypasscaptcha.com
beatcaptchas.com
deathbycaptcha.com

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Originally Posted by pspzockerscene

Btw. i collected (nearly) all those "Captcha solving services"
Here a little list, you have to compare the prices and make scripts:
decaptcher.com || Script for JD (CLICK)
captchabot.com
captchatrader.com
bypasscaptcha.com
beatcaptchas.com
deathbycaptcha.com

GreeZ pspzockerscene

You jd team could not make such script for users to use the jdownloader?

[pspzockerscene]

Sorry no time at the moment, also this feature wasn't discussed.
As you can see a user already made a script for decaptchaer which should work (didn't test).

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Originally Posted by pspzockerscene

Sorry no time at the moment, also this feature wasn't discussed.
As you can see a user already made a script for decaptchaer which should work (didn't test).

GreeZ pspzockerscene

but as you move with java script would be very easy and fast to create because most good servers (about 80%) use the reCAPTCHA and this is very annoying because even for humans is hard to decipher!

[pspzockerscene]

Originally Posted by waltex2004

but as you move with java script would be very easy and fast to create!

???
JD is open source and it isn't hard (especially making external captcha recognitions) to add such little things but i'm no main developer, i only have limited Java knowings!

GreeZ pspzockerscene

[buggsy]

Originally Posted by pspzockerscene

@roflmywaffle
Why don't you guys take the easy way.
1.Buy premium for those hosts
OR
2.Make a script for sites like captchabot.com, pay them and you get your captchas solved.
Those captchas are NO PROBLEM and even if, they're NOT OUR PROBLEM.

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Well, I see that recaptcha is a tuff one.
I am just wondering how reCaptcha knows you typed in the word
(in) correctly if there's no decrypting solution to it?!
But it's not my cup of tea, I'm pretty untalented in that concern .
However I do think that sometimes thinking outside the box may help.

Anyway, opposed to your statement the problems that occur for users that are otherwise happy users of your software should in fact be relevant to YOU.
You don't have to agree to the statement that reCaptchas are a problem, they can be a problem for your users without your consent.
Your alternatives involve paying- let's face it, a vast majority of the stuff downloaded with jdownloader is stuff that could also be bought- yet it's downloaded.
Why not just buy all the stuff you download, that's the easy way in your narrative- pay for saving time.
No software needed, no adding link after link your list, no reconnecting, no fees for or additional effort for typing in reCaptchas, no unzipping all the stuff, no need to make backups of all the downloads...
You get my point?
Money is an issue simply put, and so is time.

I understand that people can be pushy and at some point it's just too much so you want to draw a line.
But the notion that reCaptcha is google, google is the Almighty, so we are just all little bunnies and can't do nothing, and it's not your problem anyway, is sort of, well, irritating.

And as trivial as it sounds, things change:
reCaptcha has been catching on really fast in the last 1 or 2 years, iirc netload, filefactory, filesonic, fileserve, hotfile, uploaded and oron use it now, just to name a few big ones.
Put rapidshare and another big one on the reCaptcha customer list some time in the future and a software that can't handle reCaptcha is over basically.
People might still use it, but way less people than now, and these will do so way less often.
It could still be useful for the management of the links.
The reconnect feature could be handy.
But again, the Almighty reCaptcha enters the stage:
No matter how many links you have on your beautifully sorted list, no matter how great the reconnect is working:
The download doesn't work unless you type in each and every reCaptcha for every single link, so what do you really think will happen?

I hope my post doesn't come across as offensive, was just trying to make a point in a rather direct manner.

cheers
bugger

Hello, In antirecaptcha process pop-ups appear again and again on screen and don let me do any work. I want to know how can i disable these pop-ups so JD will do his antirecaptcha work in background.

You're getting captcha dialogues because you're using links from hosts that annoy customers with captchas.

You can disable the links from those hosts or deactivate the corresponding hosts and you will get rid of those captcha dialogues.

If you want them to be solved by someone else, you can try "addon for decaptcher.com service". This is a first automated service for jD and I'm sure more services will follow.

In captchatrader.com's F.A.Q. I found this :-

You earn 5 credits for solving a CAPTCHA and it costs 10 credits to get one solved.

This means that you need to solve two captchas for getting one captcha solved by someone else. Where are the other 50% of solved captchas going? In the huge pockets of the mafia?

Just because you entered it correctly doesn't necessarily mean you'll get credited. The response also has to be sent to the other person, and if the response is never sent, then you're not credited. You can help lessen this problem by solving the CAPTCHAs faster.

This is a major flaw in their system. Most people will be typing like monkeys, but not receive any credits. Instead, a captcha should be sent to only one captcha requester. EDIT: This hasn't been confirmed yet, so it might be a misinterpretation of their statement.

Another disadvantage is that if their server is down, all communication of captchas and their solutions is blocked.

An advantage is that they already have a beta version for their API.

[pspzockerscene]

@buggsy
1.Just so you understand it, reCaptcha isn't a bug and so it is NOT a problem!
2.Programmers are no wizards.
JDownloader does what it always did, it automizes the things you would have to do when manually downloading from one-click-hosters!
JD has to "click" the buttons that you would have to click AND jd has to do the captchas that you would have to do, unfortunately JD cannot solve all of those captchas and this is not our problem.
3.Because of 2. you also have to type in the captchas. See there is just no way to get arround them easily.
It's also a shame that users are coming to us to get help....who implemented reCaptcha ?
THE file-hosters so why don't you just contact their support and complain there.

Also seriously...it is more than easy to find hosters that are not using reCaptcha.
If you want to avoide having to type in those captchas, why don't you contact the guys that UPLOAD on those hosters ?
Tell them to upload on other hosters that don't use reCaptcha!

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Originally Posted by pspzockerscene

@buggsy
1.Just so you understand it, reCaptcha isn't a bug and so it is NOT a problem!
2.Programmers are no wizards.
JDownloader does what it always did, it automizes the things you would have to do when manually downloading from one-click-hosters!
JD has to "click" the buttons that you would have to click AND jd has to do the captchas that you would have to do, unfortunately JD cannot solve all of those captchas and this is not our problem.
3.Because of 2. you also have to type in the captchas. See there is just no way to get arround them easily.
It's also a shame that users are coming to us to get help....who implemented reCaptcha ?
THE file-hosters so why don't you just contact their support and complain there.

Also seriously...it is more than easy to find hosters that are not using reCaptcha.
If you want to avoide having to type in those captchas, why don't you contact the guys that UPLOAD on those hosters ?
Tell them to upload on other hosters that don't use reCaptcha!

GreeZ pspzockerscene

As you move with java and is very easy to create the script as many users as I think the captchas better pay than to pay the server with reCAPTCHA.
because they're the jeto JD only works for very few servers and many unknown scam!

[pspzockerscene]

@waltex2004
As i said a script for decaptcher.com does already exist, isn't that enough ???

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Bro after doing all the thing u stated................i got this mes

E:\JDownloader_0.7_Leonhart\JDownloader_0.7_Leonha rt\JDownloader 0.7\jd\captcha\
methods\decaptcher>perl main.pl test_picture.jpg
Odd number of elements in hash assignment at main.pl line 14.
no host specified, please check decaptcher.config

Please help me........

Originally Posted by pspzockerscene

@waltex2004
As i said a script for decaptcher.com does already exist, isn't that enough ???

GreeZ pspzockerscene

Friend over this script is not working, I tried several times and not just me as a colleague said the post above!
I only said that because you are expert in java and created the JD would be very easy and fast to create a script to fix this or there's decaptcher.com!

What about some example links and a complete and detailed log?
You might need to contact marcelser as he developed the interface with decaptcher.com.

Note that as a simple customer I don't understand why captcha threads are merged with the reCaptcha [International] thread.

[pspzockerscene]

@waltex2004
Sorry i only make JD plugins, my java knowledge isn't very good.
Please contact the user who made this script for decaptcher.com

GreeZ pspzockerscene

[buggsy]

Hi, und frohes Neues.
Ich spare es mir jetzt mal einen neuen Thread aufzumachen, da dieser ja sowieso hier hin verschoben wird.
Und habe auch keine Lust das in englisch zu übersetzen.

Ich finde den captchatrader-service eine super Sache.
Danke nochmal an drbits für den Tipp.
Ich habe mir jetzt eine externe Erkennung dafür erstellt.
Lustiger Weise auch in Java (als .jar), ist nämlich das einzige was ich programmieren kann.
War ultra einfach, hat nicht länger als 3 Stunden gedauert (mit logging-Funktion und verschiedenen Spielereien...).
Wenn ich nicht so eingerostet wäre, hätte es auch in der hälfte der Zeit funktioniert.
Es sind ca. 250 Zeilen Code, für jemanden der sich besser auskennt reichen auch viel weniger.
Ist nicht schwerer als sich ein decrypter- oder host-plugin zu schreiben.

Die CaptchaCodeAntwort dauert so 10-20 Sekunden.
Die Erkennung ist so bei 95%, die eines Menschen eben,
und manche recaptchas sind eben nicht zu lesen.
Außerdem meinen manche nur das Kontrollwort tippen zu müssen, was zwar normalerweise auch ausreicht,
aber wenn man das falsche von beiden tippt sieht's schlecht aus.

Ich wollte damit nur mal sagen, dass das Entwickeln dieses Plugins kein großer Aufwand ist.
Es sollte aber trotzdem vom JD-Team selbst kommen und nicht von einem externen User.

Mehrere Gründe dafür:
- Zum einen braucht man für den Zugriff auf die Api einen "api_key" der der Applikation zu geordnet ist.
Den sollte das JD-Team selbst anfragen.
- Zum anderen müssen der Benutzerfreundlichkeit doch noch interne Änderungen am JD durchgeführt werden.


1.) Schön wäre es wenn man die Url zum Captcha bekommt,
dann muss man das File nicht extra nochmal hochladen.
2.) Wie bekomme ich von JD eine Rückmeldung ob der Download erfolgreich gestartet wurde,
oder nicht? (Wichtig!)
3.) Man müßte Einstellungen (username, password) für das Plugin in JD selbst vornehmen können.
Bei meinem kann man dies nur über ein .ini-File.
4.) Und natürlich braucht man noch ein Addon zum Sammeln von Punkten.
Das ist etwas mehr Aufwand, oder man macht es wie ich weiterhin über die Webseite.
Das Warten auf ein Captcha dauert übrigens so 5-30 Sekunden,
und man bekommt eigentlich immer Punkte für ein richtig eingegebenes Captcha.
5.) Am schönsten wäre es dann noch wenn man seine credits in der Statusleiste von JD sehen würde.
Ich habe mir dafür ein Windows-TrayTool gebastelt.

Wenn sich jemand schon mal die API angesehen hat oder als Tipp falls sie sich jemand ansieht:
6.) Ich würde gerne diesen "Passkey" verwenden, der funktioniert aber leider nur bei submit.
Bei respond und get credits lässt sich leider nur das Passwort (im Klartext) verwenden.
Hab schon bei captchatrader.com angefragt, wollen das bald ändern.

Also für mich reicht jetzt diese Erkennung. Arbeitet bis jetzt absolut zuverlässig.
Ich verstehe aber nicht warum sich das JD-Team wegen dieses extrem geringen Aufwandes so quer stellt.

Thanks for your effort to integrate this captchatrader.com with jD.

Originally Posted by buggsy

Danke nochmal an drbits für den Tipp.

I think it was max931 who found captchatrader.com first.

Originally Posted by buggsy

Ich verstehe aber nicht warum sich das JD-Team wegen dieses extrem geringen Aufwandes so quer stellt.

Why don't you join the jD Team? They'll certainly welcome such a good programmer.

[buggsy]

Originally Posted by remi

I think it was max931 who found captchatrader.com first.

Ah, I see that.
Then my thanks go to him as well.

Originally Posted by remi

Why don't you join the jD Team? They'll certainly welcome such a good programmer.

I have been following the development of JD right from the beginning.
Since the first idea in g:b.
I've already thought about it, to participate more actively, but my Java-knowledge is far too low.
Anybody would quickly recognize, when they look at my source code.

And if i handle it, then for someone else it should pose no problem.
I can only make a few suggestions.

You're way too modest. Do you really think all jD programmers are that good?

When you join, you'll probably learn a lot. Some programmers might actually review your code and provide tips for improving it.

[pspzockerscene]

@buggsy
Super, genau deswegen is JD doch open source.
Wie gesagt wir haben keine Zeit für sowas und selbst wenn, dann wäre es nur in der NIGHTLY.

Ich versuche mal deine Punkte zu beantworten:
1.Siehe Plugincode, das mit den Captchas wird überall anders gehandhabt (mal wird eine URL übergeben, die dann geladen wird, mal wird das Captcha manuell im Plugin geladen und ein File übergeben).

2.Das ist auch überall anders.
Entweder ist im Plugin eine Schleife, gibt man ein falsches Captcha kommt eine neue Anfrage ODER es wird direkt per Exception gehandhabt und es wird eine "CAPTCHA" Exception geschmissen wenn du n falsches Captcha eingibst.

3.Das mit dem ini File ist fürs Erste doch mal gut.

4.Hmm naja ob das so sinnvoll wäre, les dir mal durch was remi geschrieben hat, da musste glaub ich 2 Captchas richtig lösen um einen Punkt zu bekommen.

5.Hmm naja nett wärs schon.

6.Is keine Frage, muss ich also auch nix antworten^^

Wieso schreibst du immer vom "JD Team".
Neue Teammitglieder sind immer gesucht bzw. externe Programmierer, die sich nur um eine Sache kümmern sind auch willkommen, das könntest genausogut du sein

Hol dir SVN Schreibrechte und los geht's.

GreeZ pspzockerscene

hi
i download Recaptcha AntiCaptcha Method from http://jdownloader.org

but it is not working , can any one tell me how it works ?

thank you

This method should no longer be downloadable from jD's site, because it does no longer work. Even when you install it, it will be disabled by jD.

[drbits]

Other plugins will be available in the future, but are not ready right now. These possibly include:
1) An updated version of the old anti-reCaaptcha (which was version 2f) - We can expect that to only work for about a month (until Google changes things again).
2) Connection to one or more commercial services that you would contract with (one addon is already in testing),
2a) The same as (2), but the service allows you to earn "credits" by solving reCaptchas (Captchatrader.com).

Hello,

I think JD has a super captchasolver but still cant solve recaptcha. Which is a pain because many hoster are using it.
Can you implement a connection to captchasolvers like bypasscaptcha, decaptcher and so on? The price is 1 to 2 dollar per 1000 solved captchas so I really would prefer to pay some cents to these services instead waking up and seeing that all downloads have a red cross because I couldnt type in the recaptchacodes...

Its really simple to implement these services and I think it would be an advantage many will like.

An "addon for decaptcher.com service" already exists.

If you think it's simple please consider developing one for captchatrader.com . They've an API.

At least its simple in php... You only need to implement the class and ready... Unfortunately I cant use java... but I will take a look at this plugin... I like captchabot more than decaptcha because its cheaper and solves better but I hope I can reroute it to let it solve with captchabot anyway... I already have something that reroutes bypasscaptcha to captchabot, decaptcher and so on which includes a entry in the hosts-file and a local webserver that reroutes the request... lets see...

As many of you know the Google reCaptcha service is not yet decryptable and shouldn't become decryptable if Google knows what it's doing. And they usualy DO know what they are doing.

So we stand before the problem that we have an unbreakable Captcha that is used by more and more download sites. If you want to download from them you have to read the Captchas and type them in. No way to automate that. ...

Or is there???

Well, what if someone else typed those Captchas in while you cannot? Who would do something like that? Well, maybe someone whom you helped out like that already? So what's the idea?

Quite simple. Imagine you have some minutes to spare and read some Captchas of guys (or gals) that are currently away from their computer. Every one you read and type correctly puts a ticket in you're CaptchaWallet. If you're away those tickets are used to request input from over users of the service.

So while you have some time or are more or less idly surfing the interwebs you could earn tickets for your wallet in a bunch or one at a time every other ten minutes or something.

What is the problem? Well, for this to work you would first need a huge base of users from around the world to circumvent time problems as less people are online at night than at day. Secondly, it would have to be completely detached from JDownloader and other downloaders so as not to limit the userbase. Thirdly, if different Captchas were processed by this system you would have to limit gained tickets to the Captcha system.

I do not think that I am up to this challenge but I think there are some among you would be very glad to try.

Other thoughts: SmartPhoneApps for ticket gaining on the road.

Good luck to those trying!

[drbits]

Originally Posted by remi

An "addon for decaptcher.com service" already exists.

This addon can be modified to make addons for other web service sites, such as captchatrader.com and captchabot.com.

I would prefer a single addon that supported several sites and had a setting to select the site. The Captchatrader API is different from the decaptcha API. However, I think that many of the reCaptcha services use the same API as decaptcha.

Hi:
I read http://jdownloader.org/news/blog/x20...captcha-method
and tried to download and install jdarc.zip as instruction but it
never works.
When I tested to download from hotfile.com,it still asked me
and request me to enter text for the captcha graph.
Please help me,thanks!

Lupin

The readme for the decaptcher perl install on windows mentions to check for and install the IO-Socket-INET package. Is that the IO-Socket-INET-Daemon-0.04 one?

Using fresh install of ActivePerl v 5.12.2.1203 win7 64 bit. All other updates done as well.

Thanks! Hopefully I can get this working for Captchatrader.

Wow, after reading all the files for DeCaptcher.com, and then looking at the CaptchaTrader.com API webpage, it looks like it'll be a heck of a lot easier with CT.

I have no idea how to code perl though. Would the original author like to hack his down to work with this one? Or someone else? I can do it myself with a little help if someone looks at them both quick and says whether or not it's really as simple as the 30 or so commands like it looks, unlike the 3 pages of parameters I just printed out from DC's api download.

captchatrader.com/documentation

Attached is the api docs from DC.


Thanks!

Clong

I think CT would be the best service at the moment (also read my remarks in post #490), but I still prefer a distributed, non-paying "mutual captcha solving" solution.

I think there are more than a sufficient number of jD customers who would use such a service, but I don't mind if the solution would work for other applications as well.

Note that this discussion isn't strictly related to reCaptcha, but also covers captchas and other sorts of Turing tests in general.

The method is outdated and can't be used at the moment. jD removes it automatically when it starts up. This should be mentioned in that wiki page.

I agree that CT is the best free alternative that I've found. And their faq basically states that if you don't solve the captcha before the end users server times out, then you don't get credit.

I've tried it and it works just fine, credit is shown right away on that screen. I also thought initially that it was a free for all, whoever solved first got the cred, but it's a one-to-one wait in line for your image setup.

[buggsy]

Sorry, ich (der Deutsche) wollte mich mal eigentlich schon früher wieder zurückmelden.

@pspzockerscene

1.)
Du meinst die hosterplugins, oder? Das ist mir schon klar, dass man diese anpassen könnte. Aber ich wollte nicht alle 42 recaptchaplugins ändern, ist ja nicht Sinn der Sache.
Ich hätte eher darauf gehofft, dass man das universell über die "jacinfo.xml" regelt,
ob die Methode ein file oder eine url bekommt.

Vielleicht kann man ja DirectHTTP.Recaptcha dafür anpassen.

Der multipart/form-data Upload funktioniert nämlich bei captchatrader nicht immer perfekt.

Wenn wir schon dabei sind, könnte man für das services-attribut der .xml was festlegen,
das diese externe Methode für alle Captchas die keine interne JAC-Methode besitzen aufgerufen wird.
Quasi anstatt dem Captcha-Eingabe-Dialog.
Ein MCS-Dienst ist ja universell einsetzbar.

2.)
Das ist das größte Problem.
Für eine externe Methode muss diese ja ein 2. mal aufgerufen werden.
Oder zu mindestens ein Ergebnis (z.B. als .txtFile) in das Verzeichnis geschrieben werden,
damit das Plugin eine Rückmeldung bekommt.
Ich weis auch gar nicht, wie das das addon for decaptcher.com feststellt.
Ich benutze eine Alternative, die aber für die Allgemeinheit nicht praktikabel wäre.

3.)
Ja reicht schon aus.
Denke eben nur schon vor raus.

4.)
Ja man muss 2 Captchas lösen,
aber das ist eben der Preis dafür, wenn man nicht zahlen will.
Ist für den Luxus einer automatisierten Erkennung auch vertretbar.
Der Einbau in JD wäre eben angenehmer.
Über die Website ist es mit etwas .css und greasmonkey Anpassungen aber auch OK.
Aber die Idee aus #509 einer SmartPhoneApp finde ich sehr gut. ;-)

Und mit "JD-Team" wollte ich zum Beispiel ausdrücken,
das die Anfrage auf einen api-key wenn dieser JD zugeordnet sein sollte,
schon von offizieller Seite kommen sollte.
Meinen kann ich leider nicht bereit stellen.

Und danke noch mal für die Einladung bei zu treten,
wenn ich's könnte würde ich es sofort machen.
Aber wie gesagt kenne ich mich zu wenig dafür aus.
Besonders mit fremden Quellcode.
Und die Idee von remi das sich jemand meinen Code anschaut und verbessert,
wäre mehr Aufwand als was Neues zu schreiben.

Bei captchatrader müssen nämlich einzig und allein 2 simple postrequests gemacht werden.
Die mit vorhandenen JD-Klassen nur ein paar Zeilen Code benötigen.



Wie kann ich die Aussagen von drbits deuten,
wird jetzt an was gearbeitet.
Intern oder extern?
Es sollten auf jeden Fall zusätzlich die Schnittstellen erweitert werden.
Das man das "addon for decaptcher.com service" an captchatrader anpassen kann,
ist zwar richtig scheint mir aber nicht sonderlich sinnvoll.
Sind schon eher verschieden aufgebaut.
Die captchatrader-api ist um einiges simpler als decaptcher.
Vor allen Dingen, da dort das ganze mit dem login und den sessions komplett wegfällt.

Wie gesagt 2 popelige Postrequests kann man selbst mit html+js bauen.



Und mal als Review zu captchatrader.com:
Läuft absolut super,
würde die Erkennung auf 98% schätzen.
Und das rund um die Uhr, es gab eigentlich keine Uhrzeit wo man keine Antwort zurückbekam.
Ab und zu sind falsche dabei, aber diese captchas waren wirklich nicht zu lösen. (hab sie gesammelt)

Weil sich ja so viele Leute um die Userbasis sorgen machen,
sie ist scheinbar jetzt schon ausreichend um 24Stunden durchzulaufen.
Obwohl ich denke das das nicht so viele Leute sind,
ist neu die Seite und nicht sonderlich bekannt.
Will sagen, es gibt schnell bzw. direkt nach Start genug Nutzer,
die einzige Gefahr die besteht ist eher das es irgendwann zu viele Nutzer werden,
und schnell ein Ungleichgewicht von Anfragen und Antworten entstehen kann.


Für Leute die Sammeln wollen,
es werden wie gesagt immer mehr user und man muss nicht lange auf ein Captcha warten.
Und wie Clong es sagt, bekommt nur einer das Captcha eines anderen. (wait in line)

In diesem Sinne, lasse ich meinen PC jetzt erst mal wieder einige Zeit unbeaufsichtigt.
Und hoffe das DreamHost noch ewig durchhält.

if you want to know how you do that JD does not delete the file because jacinfo.xml appeared in another forum Spanish anti-reCAPTCHA which is running at 30% and hotfile filesonic test failure on other sites yet. Thanks.

[drbits]

It is not clear to me what the CT timeout is for. I do not think that most of the challenges are real-time answers for a client's reCaptcha. On the other hand, I just do not know.

I think that if a client's reCaptcha challenge is in the database, the result is sent back right away. If it is not in the database, one of the credit gathering users is given the challenge. In order to assure that the request is answered quickly, the Challenges time-out and are presented to another user. This avoids the problem of a user entering a dozen reCaptcha answers and then going away for a few seconds.

I hope that CT is proactive. That means that it requests challenges to keep the user busy when there is no real-time user waiting.

For paying users, CT appears to be expensive (the $5us handling charge per order). Maybe they are just more honest.

I'm pretty sure its a one person live solve, but I just sent them an email to make sure. I slso asked if there was anyone to help with the api for JD. Better to have professional web monkeys do the work for us. : )